For Sale - '89 928 5 speed dual usage?
06-26-2013 | 12:26 PM
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For Sale - '89 928 5 speed dual usage?
Since the chronological calendar now says I'm past 3/4 of a century, I have concluded that I should find another hobby to replace the track driving via PCA's Drivers' Education program I've been doing for the past ~10 years. Time creeps up on you, and it is best if you find this WONDERFUL experience earlier in life. I did not discover it until after retirement, but it is a wonderful exillerating experience that I highly recommend any 928 owner seriously consider.
So - the car is for sale. It is a black/champagne '89 5 speed. These, like the '89 GT's are very rare - each is more rare than the '93 GTS, and perhaps more rare than the '94 GTS as well.
The car had ~113K miles when I bought it in late 2005. It now has ~134K miles. I'm the 3rd private owner, had a clean CarFax when I bought it, and still does. Original owner in upstate NY for 3 years, then to OK. I bought it from a used car dealer in AR who had been driving it for a while, but found that Hummers were better chick magnets than this Porsche, so sold it!! (No comment - ha).
Upon purchase, Earl G and I promptly replaced all the rubber/plastic stuff in the engine compartment, new everything in the front of the engine (knock sensors, T belt and all the gears it contacts, water pump, etc). Powder coated intake and manifold in silver. I replaced all fluids, using synthetic oil/greases. Went through all the electrical systems similarly. It is and has been my drive to, on, and from track car since the summer of 2006. As such, I wanted everything up to snuff mechanically. In 6+ years of usage, at about 10 days of DE's per year, there has never been one single mechanical or electrical issue. Timing belt (Gates) and pump (Lasko) were redone in Nov.2011 after ~15K and 5 years. Only Mobil 1 15W50 used since I've owned it, and it receives thorough annual maintenance in my hobby garage one the lift every winter. Uses no oil going to and from the track, but does use/burn about 1 qt per 125-150 miles at the track. It 'knows' tracks from Mont Tremblant to VIR, and Lime Rock to Road America!
Quick summary of modifications include: Recaro SRD adjustable back racing seats (black), 5 point harness (2010 dates), harness bar across between rear shock towers, Lizard shifter, Koni externally adjustable shocks/Eibach springs, Porsche CDR-220 radio with either a CD changer, or I-pod connector (buyer's option), 928 Specialists X pipe, RMB, 928 Specialists hvy duty sway bar front, Louis Ott links on rear, Two sets of Porsche OE hollow spoke 18" wheels 8"F, 10" R each with nearly new tires (Pilot Cups on one set), fender lips rolled, rear fenders flared ~3/4", adapters for using GTS front rotors with the OE S4 calipers, Porsche 930 steering wheel. Delrin rack bushings and new boots (rack does not leak). The LH also has a chip, the primary benefit is raising the ignition limit to 6800. I never exceeded 6400 rpm, and never had the engine above 5,000 in a turn. The increase inignition limit allows the driver to modulate without the engine sputtering on short stretches where up-shifting is non- productive (e.g. 4th to 5th at 130+ mph where the braking zone is 300 feet away). My objective in track driving was never to be the fastest, but to learn high performance driving, be smooth and uniform, and preserve my equipment. Oil pressure is always above 2 bar at idle, and is at 5 bar at 2100 rpm. Perhaps there may be a few other minor items I've forgotten!
Exterior appearance is excellent. During track tech inspections I nearly always get comments about how great the car looks, and how nice it is that there are 928's participating. I think this car gets more attention at a track event than a GT3!!!! Interior is probably a 5-6 (probably better, I just rate interiors harshly!). Everything is there, the rear seats are good, the OE seats are good (driver bolster not a problem, looks like it has been repaired and repainted), but there are cracks in the dash/pod. AC is still R-12, and works well. Holds charge for at least 2 years. Temp indicator is accurate, and the temp has never exceeded one needle width past the second white line - even when temps were in the mid 90's (on track).
I also purchased and equipped a small trailer to pull behind the car with the spare set of tires. It has a custom built aluminum tool box for jack, spare tools, wrenches etc. Removable tow hitch and fold down license plate, as well as wiring for trailer lights installed.
I asked a long time track associate who drove a '91 GT for many years what the value of the package is. His response was high teens, maybe 20. I want to make this an attractive package for someone who wants to use it the way I have used it. Thus, I wish to sell it as a package. To make it attractive, I priced the package at $15,000 to a fellow Rennlister/928 Owners Club member who wanted to buy it (we shared a couple of days together at Watkins Glen last week). Unfortunately, family situation at the present time precluded his purchase. IF sold as a package, several spare rotors, track pads, and other stuff will be included.
So - my price for it is $15K, and I'll 'consider' reasonable offers. IF no one wants to consider the full package, I WILL consider selling just the car, as there is interest in just the trailer package.
I no longer have the 17" 3 piece wheels shown in the picture - replaced those with the 18" hollow spokes. More pix available via e-mails. Ask for specific pictures and I'll shoot them and respond with those shots.
I will not be able to respond to anyone until after 7/1. Communications are BEST via e-mail, as I can forward further information on maintenance. My direct e-mail is: kittyandgary@verizon.net
Gary Knox
West Chester, PA
928 Owners Club charter member and current Treasurer
'94 GTS automatic
'89 S4 manual
et. al - all German.
So - the car is for sale. It is a black/champagne '89 5 speed. These, like the '89 GT's are very rare - each is more rare than the '93 GTS, and perhaps more rare than the '94 GTS as well.
The car had ~113K miles when I bought it in late 2005. It now has ~134K miles. I'm the 3rd private owner, had a clean CarFax when I bought it, and still does. Original owner in upstate NY for 3 years, then to OK. I bought it from a used car dealer in AR who had been driving it for a while, but found that Hummers were better chick magnets than this Porsche, so sold it!! (No comment - ha).
Upon purchase, Earl G and I promptly replaced all the rubber/plastic stuff in the engine compartment, new everything in the front of the engine (knock sensors, T belt and all the gears it contacts, water pump, etc). Powder coated intake and manifold in silver. I replaced all fluids, using synthetic oil/greases. Went through all the electrical systems similarly. It is and has been my drive to, on, and from track car since the summer of 2006. As such, I wanted everything up to snuff mechanically. In 6+ years of usage, at about 10 days of DE's per year, there has never been one single mechanical or electrical issue. Timing belt (Gates) and pump (Lasko) were redone in Nov.2011 after ~15K and 5 years. Only Mobil 1 15W50 used since I've owned it, and it receives thorough annual maintenance in my hobby garage one the lift every winter. Uses no oil going to and from the track, but does use/burn about 1 qt per 125-150 miles at the track. It 'knows' tracks from Mont Tremblant to VIR, and Lime Rock to Road America!
Quick summary of modifications include: Recaro SRD adjustable back racing seats (black), 5 point harness (2010 dates), harness bar across between rear shock towers, Lizard shifter, Koni externally adjustable shocks/Eibach springs, Porsche CDR-220 radio with either a CD changer, or I-pod connector (buyer's option), 928 Specialists X pipe, RMB, 928 Specialists hvy duty sway bar front, Louis Ott links on rear, Two sets of Porsche OE hollow spoke 18" wheels 8"F, 10" R each with nearly new tires (Pilot Cups on one set), fender lips rolled, rear fenders flared ~3/4", adapters for using GTS front rotors with the OE S4 calipers, Porsche 930 steering wheel. Delrin rack bushings and new boots (rack does not leak). The LH also has a chip, the primary benefit is raising the ignition limit to 6800. I never exceeded 6400 rpm, and never had the engine above 5,000 in a turn. The increase inignition limit allows the driver to modulate without the engine sputtering on short stretches where up-shifting is non- productive (e.g. 4th to 5th at 130+ mph where the braking zone is 300 feet away). My objective in track driving was never to be the fastest, but to learn high performance driving, be smooth and uniform, and preserve my equipment. Oil pressure is always above 2 bar at idle, and is at 5 bar at 2100 rpm. Perhaps there may be a few other minor items I've forgotten!
Exterior appearance is excellent. During track tech inspections I nearly always get comments about how great the car looks, and how nice it is that there are 928's participating. I think this car gets more attention at a track event than a GT3!!!! Interior is probably a 5-6 (probably better, I just rate interiors harshly!). Everything is there, the rear seats are good, the OE seats are good (driver bolster not a problem, looks like it has been repaired and repainted), but there are cracks in the dash/pod. AC is still R-12, and works well. Holds charge for at least 2 years. Temp indicator is accurate, and the temp has never exceeded one needle width past the second white line - even when temps were in the mid 90's (on track).
I also purchased and equipped a small trailer to pull behind the car with the spare set of tires. It has a custom built aluminum tool box for jack, spare tools, wrenches etc. Removable tow hitch and fold down license plate, as well as wiring for trailer lights installed.
I asked a long time track associate who drove a '91 GT for many years what the value of the package is. His response was high teens, maybe 20. I want to make this an attractive package for someone who wants to use it the way I have used it. Thus, I wish to sell it as a package. To make it attractive, I priced the package at $15,000 to a fellow Rennlister/928 Owners Club member who wanted to buy it (we shared a couple of days together at Watkins Glen last week). Unfortunately, family situation at the present time precluded his purchase. IF sold as a package, several spare rotors, track pads, and other stuff will be included.
So - my price for it is $15K, and I'll 'consider' reasonable offers. IF no one wants to consider the full package, I WILL consider selling just the car, as there is interest in just the trailer package.
I no longer have the 17" 3 piece wheels shown in the picture - replaced those with the 18" hollow spokes. More pix available via e-mails. Ask for specific pictures and I'll shoot them and respond with those shots.
I will not be able to respond to anyone until after 7/1. Communications are BEST via e-mail, as I can forward further information on maintenance. My direct e-mail is: kittyandgary@verizon.net
Gary Knox
West Chester, PA
928 Owners Club charter member and current Treasurer
'94 GTS automatic
'89 S4 manual
et. al - all German.
Last edited by Gary Knox; 06-26-2013 at 12:46 PM.
06-26-2013 | 12:36 PM
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From: Indianapolis Area
That is one nice looking "track car". I wish I were in the position to buy, store, and DE it.
I keep telling myself one of these days I'll DE my car, but something comes up that needs fixing. I'm going to take you advice and DE sooner rather than later.
GLWS
I keep telling myself one of these days I'll DE my car, but something comes up that needs fixing. I'm going to take you advice and DE sooner rather than later.
GLWS
06-26-2013 | 12:38 PM
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GLWS, Gary. I'll miss you at the Glen this fall.
I can personally attest to how nice this example is; crazy deal to be had here for someone looking to get into DE-ing! Or even just a really nice 89 5 speed.
I can personally attest to how nice this example is; crazy deal to be had here for someone looking to get into DE-ing! Or even just a really nice 89 5 speed.
06-26-2013 | 12:48 PM
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Thanks Kurt and Courtshark. Yes - I think it is a good deal, but hope to get it to someone while they can still use it and enjoy it for most of the 2013 track driving season.
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06-26-2013 | 02:35 PM
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From: Rochester, NY
BTW, this was the car I was considering selling mine for. Beautifully taken care of and quite fast.
Even with a driver 40 years older than me he could pass me without a second thought. And I thought I was fast for a street 928
Even with a driver 40 years older than me he could pass me without a second thought. And I thought I was fast for a street 928
06-27-2013 | 03:02 PM
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The ultra rare 89 5 speed with 2.64 (euro) gears...this is the same gearing as my old widow has...worked really well!!!
This is a VERY good price for a perfect drive to the track and home package....2 bar hot off track with mobil one is VERY good oil pressure....so clearly the rod bearings are fine.... Typically I get around 2 bar hot in my racers....the Estate would drop to 20-25psi hot on hot days.....
This is a VERY good price for a perfect drive to the track and home package....2 bar hot off track with mobil one is VERY good oil pressure....so clearly the rod bearings are fine.... Typically I get around 2 bar hot in my racers....the Estate would drop to 20-25psi hot on hot days.....