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Old 05-27-2013 | 12:29 AM
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studebaker is really unique and would be a cool car if in great shape!!!I say do the studebaker.....
Old 05-27-2013 | 12:53 AM
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Nothing like a Studebaker to make a 928 seem like its reasonable.

My domestic car mechanic specializes in making old rusty things hot rods, getting past 90% gets very expensive, but I've seen some deep pockets with pretty amazing old cars.
Old 05-27-2013 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Brett928S2
Nitrous....around 20% of the cost of a blower....
As you know, it's a very short term savings.

One weekend track event will erode that savings pretty quick.

As a friend of mine learned, it really sucks to run the bottle dry on a holiday weekend with nobody open to refill it.
Old 05-27-2013 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
As you know, it's a very short term savings.

One weekend track event will erode that savings pretty quick.

As a friend of mine learned, it really sucks to run the bottle dry on a holiday weekend with nobody open to refill it.
Hi

Not really...you put on a Nitrous system for say $1000 for 100 hp...

A blower is say $5000 for 100 hp....

Thats $4000 change to buy Nitrous...that's YEARS of Nitrous...

If you fill your small bottles yourself (I have 2 x 85lb bottles for filling , and 2 x 15lb bottles in the car) it halves the cost.... even further...

And blowers are NOT free to run either...parasitic drag increases fuel consumption etc...

I use mine as a daily driver and have done for 7 years now... the advantage of Nitrous is that Nitrous ONLY works when you arm it and hit the switch... which makes it perfect as a daily driver...

IMHO... lol

All the best Brett
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OK You guys have got me interested! I have read the old threads and here is my take on this.
In my 84 L-jet, I put a single wet style fogger in the a/c port on the front of the intake. I need to make an adapter for the fuel rail nut to attach an AN4 hose. I'll need to tap the hole in the intake for the fogger. The rest is connections, hoses and following the instructions. Summit has a NOS-brand single fogger kit for v-8's with 75-100-125 jets for $450. No bottle warmer, but seems pretty complete otherwise.
I'm still thinking about it, but I do appreciate all the input.
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Old 05-27-2013 | 01:27 PM
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Dave, you can do both supercharge and a Hawk in one pass. Get a supercharged Hawk!

There's a pretty impressive Studebaker support network too. As with 928 selection though, buy the best example you can find, and work your way up from there.
Old 05-27-2013 | 01:41 PM
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Thanks, Dr. Bob.
Old 05-27-2013 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Brett928S2
Not really...you put on a Nitrous system for say $1000 for 100 hp...

A blower is say $5000 for 100 hp....

Thats $4000 change to buy Nitrous...that's YEARS of Nitrous...
Your fuzzy math doesn't jive with friends of mine who have blown through that amount of NOS in one summer of regular drag racing.

How much would George need for one open road race?
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ill-it-go.html

Also doesn't change the fact that you can be SOL if you run out without any open shops to fill the bottle.

Originally Posted by Brett928S2
And blowers are NOT free to run either...parasitic drag increases fuel consumption etc...
Many supercharged 928 owners have reported little to no change in highway cruising fuel consumption.
Many road trips Tim Murphy has reported over 20mpg in his personal Stage 3 supercharged S4.

Yes if you get on the boost you consume more fuel, same with nitrous.....

Nitrous is a great way to add cheap power, it's a fact the savings are short term which is fine for some people.
It would be nice if you would just admit this for once without all the BS and negativity towards everything else.

You act like you are the only 928 owner that has ever worked with nitrous. There are a couple 928 owners with supercharged cars that were once running with nitrous, they got sick of filling up the bottle all the time.
Old 05-27-2013 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
Your fuzzy math doesn't jive with friends of mine who have blown through that amount of NOS in one summer of regular drag racing.

How much would George need for one open road race?
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ill-it-go.html

Also doesn't change the fact that you can be SOL if you run out without any open shops to fill the bottle.


Many supercharged 928 owners have reported little to no change in highway cruising fuel consumption.
Many road trips Tim Murphy has reported over 20mpg in his personal Stage 3 supercharged S4.

Yes if you get on the boost you consume more fuel, same with nitrous.....

Nitrous is a great way to add cheap power, it's a fact the savings are short term which is fine for some people.
It would be nice if you would just admit this for once without all the BS and negativity towards everything else.

You act like you are the only 928 owner that has ever worked with nitrous. There are a couple 928 owners with supercharged cars that were once running with nitrous, they got sick of filling up the bottle all the time.
Hi All

You talk about fuzzy logic..you need to read what you just posted...

ANY extra bhp USES fuel.... be it a blower a turbo or Nitrous...

Mine uses enormous amounts but I am running 16 EXTRA Venom fuel injectors on top of my normal 8...

But for a normal Nitrous system ONE is sufficient....

And BLOWERS "ALWAYS" use extra fuel...there is no way around that, no matter what you "think"

I have worked with blowers in Top Fuel that make 928 ones look like tiddlers....

Nitrous per £/$ is by FAR the cheapest way of making extra bhp....

As this thread is about to degenerate into the normal Nitrous hating by people who wasted a lot of money on a blower, I am out of it....

This by the way is precisely why I did not renew my membership here

I run the biggest Nitrous system on any road going/daily driver 928 IN THE WORLD...

Thats a fact...

Anyone who is interested in Nitrous please email me privately >>> managingdirector@pchealthcare.co.uk

I will freely give you any advice and help you need.

And I am gone..............

All the best Brett
Old 05-27-2013 | 03:41 PM
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Brett, I get the exact same MPG as I did pre blower, long distance highway I actually get better.
Old 05-27-2013 | 05:28 PM
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I went with Supercharging but for certain situations I think nos makes good sense too. I will likely squirt one of my cars at some point. I am thinking my 83 944, I would not use it much, That car gets picked on much more than the 968 or 928 and nos would be a cheap way to give it something to fight back with.

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Old 05-29-2013 | 06:12 PM
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Dave,

Our kit for your 928 is here: http://www.928superchargers.com/

...and we do installations too if you dont want to do it yourself. We are booked into July right now, but I could get your car in late July if you like.
Old 05-29-2013 | 07:07 PM
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I will sell you the NOS kit I had on my 84 US 928 for $200 bucks. It's like new

I blew the nos in under the filter and before the barn door so it had time to mix well. Then I had a simple setup to bump the fuel pressure when the nos kicked in. The system worked great and only kicked in when the you hit WOT and the nos switch was on. PM me if your interested.

BTW... Yes, I switched to a superchargers on my later cars
Old 05-29-2013 | 07:29 PM
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I'm not a big studebaker fan......I guess I am too young...which I really don't think I am at 40....

Anyway...you can get HUGE performance gains on your 84 by just a proper exhaust and a bit of dyno tuning (typically adding fuel).....If you live in a no smog area you are golden....a set of headers, Y pipe and single 3.5" exhaust can add more than 30whp-torque plus a much more aggressive sound.....

A properly running 84 USA S 5 speed can have 240whp ( 282 crank HP) just by exhaust....add euro cams and it goes up from there...for example my racer is a 4.5L L jet engine (9-1 CR) with euro cams-intake and a bit of porting it makes 265whp-289 torque with MSDS headers-same Y pipe 3.5" 1 muffler exhaust...thats over 310 HP crank and 335 ftlbs....

A supercharger can make even more power....but is much more $$$ than cams and exhaust...
Old 05-30-2013 | 12:00 AM
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I really appreciate all the ideas. It sounds like any performance work, NOS or SC, on my 84 US should include exhaust upgrades. I think I should start there. I am thinking 85-86 manifolds + spacer + Y-pipe. My questions are: How difficult to change exhaust, including manifolds, on jack stands? Where to source parts? I assume I should try 928Intl for manifolds. Who has the spacer, and Y-pipe?
Thanks,
Dave


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