Hold On

For you guys who have painted a metallic color 928. How much base coat and clear coat did it take?? How many coats did you need of each ? and any recomendations on brand of paint, reducer,flex agent, etc,etc etc.. ??

Thanks, Kevin

Mongo

PPG is a real good paint. It was on the expensive end at the time when I painted. I chose NASON by DuPont instead. It's a urethane paint that needs to be prepped in a 3-1-1 ratio of paint, catalyst, and acetone.

Usually with metallics you do 2-3 coats of base followed by 3 coats clear, at least that is what I did.

Mrmerlin

Andy did you mean paint thinner/reducer? instead of acetone,
wont that take off the primer or sealer

bronto

My understanding is that the original paint was Glasurite Line 55, which I can tell you is still available in Arizona

docmirror

Each brand is different. Each color can be different too. I just did a 968 which is sized similar in Cobalt blue. We used a full gallon. I think we could have done it with 3 quarts, but the cost of three quarts compared to a gallon was only a couple bucks more.

We prepped with a light blue undercoat solid, then at least 4 coats of base metallic. After that we touched up some bits then finished with 3 coats of clear. You might be able to get away with 2 quarts of very good brand paint, but I wouldn't try with a metallic. Thin paint shows badly for metallics.

Mongo

I should have clarified; the acetone was used as a reducer when it came to urethane paint I used based on the instructions. The reducer bottle did not directly say 'acetone' on it, but rather it contained acetone.

Mongo

Not pushing DuPont paint here, but their new Nason Urethane 3.5 VOC "Full-Thane" is probably the easiest to apply. You can now dilute 3:1 without the use of a reducer. You just need the catalyst at a 3:1 ratio.

I may pick this stuff up for the roof my 928 as both it, and the sunroof panel are lightly oxidized now.

Hold On

I planned on doing a wrap on this car, but chickened out ! We are taking the 2K the wrap would cost and spending it on the needed tools to do quality paint. Our shop can always use new equipment and we have three cars that need paint. Old type 1 beetle resto, Old Alfa GTV resto and my 928. My son`s buddy next door has a paint booth we can borrow. I have always wanted to do my own paint so this is the time. Besides if I retire anytime, I can do this on the side. Flynn Automotive in Phoenix, AZ. is moving into the selective painting business. lol

Kiln_Red

Glasurit 54-line and 21-line were original on the 928. 55-line and 22-line have since superseded those paint lines. No matter what paint manufacturer you chose, you'll want about a sprayable gallon. So, if you're using a 2:1 b/c, you'll want a little more than 2 1/2 quarts of strictly color. The rest would be reducer. You'll want to order a sprayable gallon of clear, also. You'll have clear left over, but it's better to play it safe and have a little extra than not enough. Of course you can't actually have the clear sent to you in sprayable form as it will contain catalysts. Just make sure that, with the components included, you are getting what would amount to about a gallon in the spray gun.

Kiln_Red

If I were going to use any Dupont product on a 928.. It would be Spies Hecker. Spies Hecker is a top-of-the-line product like Glasurit. Both brands are German. You CANNOT beat German clear. I don't know which clear looks better straight out of the gun. You can't go wrong with either Glasurit's 923-450 or Spies Hecker 8035. I would recommend waiting for at least a couple of weeks before doing any buffing if you use either of those clears.

The Fixer

Good to know. Never used Glasurit but always heard great things.
I have heard what Mongo is saying about DuPont's paints practically painting themselves, that they are easy to use.
Seems a lot of PPG is being used too.
I went with Sikken's mid priced line; Lesanal. Pretty good stuff.

Make sure you guys are very careful to spend the time to ventilate your painting area while spraying, these paints are very, very bad for you.

Kiln_Red

The German clears are not very easy to spray but, once dialed in, you cannot beat the finish or the durability. Spies and Glaurit clear make domestic clears look like water. Certain clears pour out literally like syrup. The downfall to that is it makes difficult to atomize without ridiculous air pressures. I'll go north of 30psi on a full trigger pull with a modern HVLP gun just to achieve the atomization I want. You have to push it onto the car to get it slick. On a hood, roof, or trunk it needs to be applied until you can almost see it puddle behind the pattern..

If you know any old timers in the paint and body business that have shot Spies Hecker, ask them about the first Spies clears that came to the US.. T30 and T40. If you could spray that, you could spray anything. In a way, it was fun because it was challenging. When you put it on 2" off the panel, you better be accurate!

Hold On

Thanks for the info guys. Im currently researching paints. I have looked at some PPG Deltron 2000 bc/cc . Paints sure have gotten pricy! Its well over $100. a quart. I will also look at your suggestions.


BTW Fixer, My car is also a 1983 in Slate Blue Mettalic.

Kiln_Red

DBC is good stuff. Use DCU 2002 clear over it for a complete respray and you'll be a happy customer.

polecat702

As soon as I see how this turns out, you may be getting my 89 to paint. Good reason to drive to Phoenix and visit you and Andrew.