how many 928 s Euros are there in the USA?
 

Does anyone have a ballpark figure? Obviously a precise number would be better, and I am sure there is a way to get it.

I was told by an individual who is rebuilding my MAF, that since the federalization process was tedious and expensive, that there really are not that many Euros around.

on an off topic... did you know that the nada blue book value of a 1980 porsche 928 is over 8k? wtf?

Put me down for an 83 Euro

i guess thats 1 LOL

EUROs in the USA
 

Last July I picked up an '83EURO-S for $3.5k!! Vin#WPOZZZ92ZDS841138. Yes it needs work,(the PO was an IDIOT) ,BUT, It's a real head turner. I had it out on the Friday after Thanksgiving, and a guy driving a 63 AC Cobra (not a kit car, a REAL AC) followed me into a Pep Boys parking lot to check it out. It was the typical "I'll show you mine if you show me yours". He had an really nice looking 283 in his, but when I popped my hood, all he could say was "OH MY GAWD!" The only problem is that EVERYONE wants to run me. I even got challenged by a guy in a Currier-Post delivery van!! I think only 209 came into the country in '83 and mine is a 5-speed! I don't know how many have "survived", But add mine to the list.

Link refers to the carfax search of vins, and shows 1300 Euro's, but doesn't include 78, 79, and 80 model years, and those are as common as any of the early years. Carfax doesn't go back past I think some point in the 90's so a car could have been imported and wrecked or parked unregistered prior to the reporting range.

Put me down for a twin dizzy LH equipped 1985 Euro S with 5 speed and no sunroof.

I also have a 78 euro 5 speed w/o sunroof. Obviously not an "S".

I gray marketed a 78 5 speed from Germany in 1987 while stationed in Bavaria. I'm pretty sure its still around somewhere unless the USAF pilot who bought it from me wrecked it....

fAnecdotally from watching the market for a while, sure seems like there were a bunch of '83 brought in, fewer thereafter. Maybe the economy or a change in emissions regs tamped down on the practice in 84, 85, 86.

LH Euro S model 1984 -1986 in USA
84-- 270
85-- 315
86-- 42

Keep in mind that many 84's have carry-over pistons and an awful lot of changes occurred for MY 85. Also most 86 Euro's have been the 32 Valve versions. Probably a 50% casualty rate leaves around 300 on the road. Rare birds. Did we see an 86 16V recently?

The exchange rate in the early to mid 80's made it financially reasonable to grey market import a German car. This, coupled with the Euro to US performace differential of the 4.7L S cars made it a sweet deal. This also seems to be the heyday for grey market BMW's and Merc's.

For point of reference, my 84 Euro 5-speed, well optioned, was purchased by the original owner on 3/15/84 from the importer for $43,500 USD. I would be interested to know what a similar 84 US spec car stickered for at that time.

I totally agree with the exchange rate. I was there when the mark was 3.45 to the $! it was cheaper to go out to eat on the German economy than it was to buy food at the military commissary and cook it. I got my 78 very cheap when you consider the exchange rate. But you had to pay for DOT changes, EPA waiver letter and shipping. Plus engine rebuild parts, clutch, brakes, paint, etc, etc, etc. But I bought all the parts at German Porsche dealers and shipped them home, so a better deal again. It was fun trying to translate piston rings or gasket set in German to the Porsche mechanic. I sold it getting back every penny I put in the car. Guess I got lucky on that account!

Also when the USA 85/86 finally had nearly 300 HP the Euro cars did not have much more power add in the model change over to the S-4 in late 1986 and importing an "old" style 928 was less attractive... Numerous problems with the certification labs( faking results, going out of business, getting shut down) and high costs were factors as well.

mine is an 84. I was just curious because of what the MAF guy told me. So they are pretty rare then, but not super rare.

The largest year for the grey market was 1985, also the best Euro. (Hensler)

The reason for a grey market ended in late summer 86 not only because the of the currency but starting with MY 87 there was no more Euro, all engines were the same.

-1 :burnout:
because my euro 84 was a grey import to the USA and then imported back to Europe.

Looking through some old R&T 928 tests, I believe US MY 1985 price was $50,000.

Many grey market cars were USED cars used and depreciated long before they were purchased and shipped to the US. And the new model S-4 made importing a 2,3,4,5 year old 928 which now looked like an "old " car less attractive.....

Add another automatic '83. I can't remember exactly where I got the numbers from, but IIRC there were only 1906 ROW models sold worldwide in '83. Depending on options, some are more rare than others...kinda like my sunroof delete model. :D

what is a sunroof delete model exactly?

That would be a car without a sunroof (from the factory)... Liked by tall guys - esp. racers - because you pick up about 2" headroom

Alan

ahh ok. I thought maybe there was something more to it. Neither of my 928's have a sunroof.

Put me down for 3, 2 79s and one 78 that belongs to my friend that is here for repaint. 79s are one auto one standard and the 78 is a standard also...

Well
I guess put me down for 2

Just bought one
And be restoring the damaged one

Both '80

By the middle early 80's it was hard to find a new 928 without a sunroof. When I was trying to buy one in 87 the dealer terms to order one were ridiculous, huge deposit, long wait, no discount from list price, but mainly no interest from the dealer to do the transaction.

Put my 1986 Euro-S on your list!

You can put my 1980 Euro S on the list.

Paul

1980 Euro S Red/Blk Lea

1980 Euro S Automatic Black Sunroof delete 138K

1986 Euro, 5 sp sunroof delete. But in Canada,

I have one, 83 "S" 5 speed with LS Diff, 2.73 gears, MSDS Headers with 3" custom exhaust. pewter on black Here it is, behind the cayman.


More info on Euros in NA here:

http://www.928registry.org/1978-1995...sting-page.htm
:rockon:

You can add my Moss Green '83 Euro S 5 speed to the list. Currently being brought back to life by the capable hands of Stan (Mr. Merlin) Kolen.

Have you got any recent pics? One of the few 86 16's.

I was able to find a few.

Hey Rod, it looks as though our cars are twiners, ask stan about mine we have been on a couple of drives together, he is a great guy and knows his stuff when it comes to 928's. If you ever bring your car to SLC or i go to Co. lets do a drive together and get some pics of our cars, mine has dark green interior as well .
Andy

83 Euro 5-speed
Moss Green Metalic No sunroof

Tonyq that is a sweet looking car.

Yes very nice, Tony.

Look at the comparison of Doug's and Tony's euro's, the rear tires. That 11 inch wheel really fills in the space the way it should have been. The stock wheels never did, they look like temporary spare tires. I am in the same boat currently and will upgrade to wider ones, perhaps new phone dials;

2 great examples

https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...r-dsc00696.jpg

https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...he-usa-026.jpg

This would be a good master thread for Euro's. We have pics of some of the nicest, with the unicorn of 928's, Tony's 86 16V above and here is a shot of my intake and the butt, 85 euro;

https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...ntake928s2.jpg

https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...tttttttttt.jpg

Add another one

82 Euro S - 4 Speed Auto. No sunroof.

Another one here also.
 

Got a 1986 16v A/T, came to the US in 1992 from Abu Dhabi U.A.E. with PO.

I got one
 

My '85 928 Euro 5 speed 310hp on 19' IForged 325/25/ZR19.

Any info on how it was imported?

Looks like it has the special sand trap intake tubes.

Nice looking car.

Thanks danglerb,
I'm not sure about how it was impoted but it came through California and was federalized there. The PO lived in UAE for a couple of years and purchased it from his boss that was a Sheikh over the Ministry of higher education.
What are sand trap tubes? How do they differ from std tube?

Did you just purchase it? We discussed it here https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...-for-sale.html back when it was on CL. Interesting with the sport seat.

That is my car. The older gentleman in the pictures from that tread is the PO who brought the car here from U.A.E. but he’s not the one I got the car from. That PO sold it to the guy that bought his house as he was moving back east to Michigan. The guy with the house then turned around and sold the car to me and made a couple of bucks flipping it. He had no idea what he had. Lucky me! :jumper: I was just the other day able to get ahold of the PO that was the second owner and get some of the cars history. He owned it from 1990 till late 2012.

They have a little insert that create a twist to the airflow that then is supposed to throw the heavy sand particles into a catch on the bottom of the tube from what I can remember.



Nice doggy.

I'll take a closer look at the tube to see. Had never noticed.

The dog is new to the family, just got fixed and has to wear the cone of shame.

One more,I enjoy driving when I have time which is not often as of late. Was bought new in 85 and brought to PA. to be federized but all they did was put on the stupid lights. Well I am glade that was all,the owners father was a high up at the connecticut motor vehicle dept. Yea,we are all equal,right.

1978 5-speed non-sunroof, non-rub strip Euro. #622 off the line. Came in through NYC to a dentist in Rockefeller center. VERY brown... but not for long..

84 euro, imported into US by a marine at MCAS Miramar, San Diego. Had an electrical problem, took it to a BMW shop ( DUH!) and never came back, I picked it up for $900, did as full R&R, and gave it to my daughter who now drives it around Virginia!
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