ledee416

ok, so I have the vin for my euro. I am trying to look it up to trace the lineage of its ownership.

does anyone have a way to do a vin look up for me?

from what I understand the last 5 are the year and serial right? mine is 840107

does that mean it was the 107th car made?

I dont want to publish the vin on here fully, but if someone could help me, or point me in the right direction, that would be great

ledee416

ok this is weird. I did vin lookup and it didnt come up. it said my vin is invalid. When I just looked up a 928 vin decoder site, it shows vin that is a bit different than mine. Can someone help me out?

my vin is WPOzzz92zes840107

that doesnt seem to fit the format of the one i just looked up. what is going on here?

ledee416

that is definitely the vin on the plate.

Bilal928S4

The usual VIN decoders are for US model. You might want to look for international VIN decoders, as the US versions cannot handle all the ZZZ"s.

ledee416

ah ok. maybe that is it. you would think though that it would at least bring up the car's registration and or owner history though.

I am wondering why the 928 vin lookup site I went to had a slightly different format for euro than what I have.

BRB-83-911SC

Looks like you have an early 84. My VIN is WPOzzz92zes840849, and I have the early Euro motor with the larger valve relief cutouts, as discussed in your interference vs. non-interference thread. Check for the engine code - yours being an automatic should start with M28/22 followed by the engine serial number.

Here is where the engine number is (from 928 Specialists website) http://www.928gt.com/popup.aspx?src=...ginenumber.JPG

Post up your engine number and some pics. It should look something like the pic below. Once you have it running right, you will love it.

ledee416

it looks very much like that.. except way dirtier. I am hoping you are right with the early 84 asessment. being non interference will be a hige relief (no pun intended) to me.

did you have trouble registering your euro? I was told the vin is invalid and I may have some issues. Luckily in GA they have a police officer come out to verify the number.

BRB-83-911SC

I bought mine from the original owner who bought it new from the importer. It had a PA title, signed over to me. Even with that, the Massachussetts RMV didn't like the VIN. They would only issue me a title after having the VIN number inspected by the local police and signed off on. It was a minor inconvenience, but then again, I did have the original title signed over to me. I think the real issue is that when a clerk types in the VIN into the database, the Euro VIN's don't come up. Hopefully your state has provisions for sorting this out. Is there some sort of "import tag" on the car somewhere (maybe the driver's door jamb)?

A buddy in MA has an 85 Euro that was imported into MA when new, and at the time, the state assigned a seperate VIN, applied a suplimental VIN tag, and his paperwork (title/registration) uses that state provided VIN.

ledee416

I dont have a title. In Georgia, any car older than 1986 just needs bill of sale. plus all cars have to be inspected by a police department before registering. I am really hoping I can pull this one off. I have an 80 with a redone interior and between the two should be able to make a very nice car.

Dave928S

VIN:WP0ZZZ92ZES840107
MY 1984 928
Engine: M28.22
Transmission: A28.02
Country Code: C11- Austria
Options:
M249 ... Automatic transmission
M261 .... Passenger side mirror electric plain
I323 .... Sticker, without ESE-Regulations
I327 ... Radio Koeln
I415 ... Wider rear track with 21 mm spacers
I468 ... Graduated tint windshield
I475 ... License plate fastening
M489 .. Symbols and insignia in German
I593 ... Bosch ABS

Check the options actually on the car as a few of those option numbers have a few possible interpretations ... I've picked the most likely.

ledee416

hmmm.. thanks for the decode. so is that definitely the early 84 engine? I know it has less torque than the late one, but I have bad luck with timing belts. I am hoping it is an early.

I am really hoping that I can get this car registered. if not it will be a shame to see a good running 928 euro become a parts car. I will have no other choice. this means that the motor and transmission will more than likely sit at my house unused. If I am pulling the motor out of my 80, a worked chevy 350 is going in its place.

BRB-83-911SC

An 84 through 86 Euro Automatic came from the factory with the M28/22 16V LH Injection 310hp/295ft lbs engine. You need the engine serial number as mentioned before to confirm that this car still has the correct engine, and then based on that engine serial number, you will be able to identify which pistons it came with from the factory (deep or shallow relief cuts). The difference in CR is 10.0:1 (early 84) vs. 10.4:1 (mid 84 > 86). The factory rated both with the same hp and torque figures.

To muddy the waters, some Euros had a 32V "smog" motor, but it would look different that the pic I posted above, and have a different M28/xx number.

In any event, I would treat any 16V Euro as interference, even though it technically may not be. Any significant carbon build up, head machining, or modified cams could make them interference.

What is the condition of the car? A 16V Euro LH (M28/21 and M28/22) is a desireable engine. I gotta think it would be the better choice over your 80 US to put time and effort into.

Get it titled first. Detailed pics of the car would help put any comments into perspective.

danglerb

No O in vin, its zero 0, all sorts of stuff can get confused though, B 8 Z 2 etc. I found two different registrations for one of mine. Some places don't like the ZZZ others no issue.

euro trash

I purchased an 83 euro titled in PA, and just transferring to me in PA the request came back invalid VIN. After sending pics of the VIN, it went through but waited over 2 months for the title process to complete.

brealytrent

I had to send in my application to DMV headquarters in Madison here in Wisconsin because the local one wouldn't process it. A month later, I had the title in my hand. I was worried for a while, because they mentioned looking at the car and checking it met federal regulations, which I can tell you it isn't meeting at this moment through the tailpipes! Luckily that never came to fruition.