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Old 11-14-2012, 04:37 AM
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Was doing some data capture to see whats going on under WOT 1-2nd gear, just playing with the new cams...etc.

Id get maybe 8 knocks in a run, meh...but what was odd, is that almost EVERY run, I would see the whole map go -6d, and the red light of "knock retard" comes on..and it does not age away, stop/start car, its gone.

No signs of any sensor errors..ideas?
Old 11-14-2012, 06:07 AM
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The knock sensor leads may have insulation cracked and flaking off. This exposes the screen braid. So when you do a WOT run, the braid touches adjacent metal and this creates enough electrical noise to trigger the -6 degrees universal retard.
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Jeff, we get the same thing with our S4, occasionally-- log data for a while and the knock-retards suddenly all go to -6 deg and stay there until the ignition gets turned off.

It's a transient sensor fault, most likely one of the knock-sensors as John said. In our case the culprit was the rear knock-sensor, we caught it by watching the ignition-monitor page. Or just change the knock sensors if that hasn't already been done.
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Huh this is all about 30mo old..so..
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Originally Posted by Speedtoys
Huh this is all about 30mo old..so..
I have no idea what information you are tying to convey.
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He means his sensors are fairly new.....
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Originally Posted by worf928
I have no idea what information you are tying to convey.

I'll use my PBS english next time.


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Originally Posted by Speedtoys
Huh this is all about 30mo old..so..
So... what? Parts that are 30 months old can't be bad?
Check the sensor connections first, they are easier to get to than the sensors-- two knock sensors and the hall sensor, and don't forget temp-II. Also check for toasted/funky harness wiring and connectors, the knock-sensor connections are shielded all the way back to the EZK. The shields, and the shield connections through the connectors, are important.

If no luck there then try to catch it on ST's ignition-monitor page. A co-pilot is advised.
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Originally Posted by jcorenman
A co-pilot is advised.
Esp with 400ish rwhp! Or a dyno, those work too.

I think he is more partially upset by the fact that he just had the manifold up/off last night!
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Originally Posted by Lizard931
I think he is more partially upset by the fact that he just had the manifold up/off last night!
Aha!! Troubleshooting Rule #1: First check whatever you touched last...
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He had it off to re-attach a vacuum line that popped off under boost. But the rear sensor would have definitely been disconnected.......
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Nah..just rolled the fuel rail/injectors/etc out of the way. Didnt have to unplug nothin.
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A Hall sensor problem will also trigger the -6 deg retard..... as Jim mentioned...
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I have to look at my hall sensor on my auto, it just started giving erroneous signals......
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Originally Posted by Lizard931
I have to look at my hall sensor on my auto, it just started giving erroneous signals......
Shouldn't you be able to see a cut out on the ignition monitor screen if there is an intermittent fault? Green goes to red and all that jazz?

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