cost to get 1981 928 re-done in Oxnard
11-12-2012, 06:31 AM
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Tip for you guys who might want to do some smll parts...
http://showcarforum.com/threads/146-...p-Instructions
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11-12-2012, 08:51 AM
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11-12-2012, 09:03 AM
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The cost of replacement cam gears, a wear item by the way, are more than you paid for your car.
I can't wait to see pictures of the completed project.
I am in not way about "how much I spend on my car". I am about driving it.
I spent $11,500 on a very mechanically sorted car. It had new tranny, brake master cylinder and booster, aftermarket radiator (lasted less than 10 years see below) After doing an intake refresh, new radiator, springs, shocks and motor mounts I have put approximately $6,000 into this car. I have done all the work myself including pulling the engine and replacing a bad piston. I have my labor valued at $0 in the above figure. My car had seats done in vinyl by the PO's local choice. Cost him $700 to recover both front seats. You can also tell it cost $700 to recover the seats.
Pray things you can't skimp on don't go bad. A/C / Heater control unit. $1000. Radiator, $900 for factory, $800 for aftermarket. Cam Gears mentioned above. $400 each. These cars are expensive to maintain. Can you rig it, maybe. Will it be evident to someone LOOKING FOR A 928. Yes because they, if they have a brain, will get a PPI and shoddy work will stand out which will make the buyer go bye bye. Parts cost money and 928 parts aint cheap anywhere. These aren't 944s by a long shot.
I can't wait to see pictures of the completed project.
I am in not way about "how much I spend on my car". I am about driving it.
I spent $11,500 on a very mechanically sorted car. It had new tranny, brake master cylinder and booster, aftermarket radiator (lasted less than 10 years see below) After doing an intake refresh, new radiator, springs, shocks and motor mounts I have put approximately $6,000 into this car. I have done all the work myself including pulling the engine and replacing a bad piston. I have my labor valued at $0 in the above figure. My car had seats done in vinyl by the PO's local choice. Cost him $700 to recover both front seats. You can also tell it cost $700 to recover the seats.
Pray things you can't skimp on don't go bad. A/C / Heater control unit. $1000. Radiator, $900 for factory, $800 for aftermarket. Cam Gears mentioned above. $400 each. These cars are expensive to maintain. Can you rig it, maybe. Will it be evident to someone LOOKING FOR A 928. Yes because they, if they have a brain, will get a PPI and shoddy work will stand out which will make the buyer go bye bye. Parts cost money and 928 parts aint cheap anywhere. These aren't 944s by a long shot.
11-12-2012, 01:32 PM
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In many ways Paul's look better than new, but he's not perfect, no one is. I don't know who Bob is.
Paul isn't taking full leather interiors at the moment but he said they cost between $9k and $15k. You can get the same work cheaper on cars that aren't "Porsche."
Perhaps I can get him to do the seats and do the easy flat items myself or with a "TJ" buddy. There are guys doing acceptable hack jobs with $8 sewing machines shown on YouTube.
Paul isn't taking full leather interiors at the moment but he said they cost between $9k and $15k. You can get the same work cheaper on cars that aren't "Porsche."
Perhaps I can get him to do the seats and do the easy flat items myself or with a "TJ" buddy. There are guys doing acceptable hack jobs with $8 sewing machines shown on YouTube.
Maybe the most straight forward task is recovering the steering wheel. Most 928 type shops get about $300. I haven't found anybody that can do a good job for materially less money without substantial risk of poor results. I do plan to take a whack at it myself.
Flat panels seem well within range of careful DIY.
Only a couple sources sell Porsche grade leather in the USA. Hides are around $600 last I looked. Automotive grade Alcantara (UV rated) is a bit more. Looks like Alcantara, not UV rated is a lot cheaper.
11-12-2012, 01:39 PM
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I've restitched my steering wheel and it was time consuming, and I'm not certain I got the weave right. Be sure you get the right thread, I'm sure I got that wrong. What I got was leather but it's too thick, and you can definitely feel it when driving. I may take another whack at it.
11-12-2012, 02:58 PM
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Here's how you spend $700 on brakes: Rotors are $100 apiece. Pads are $150 for all four wheels. Noise dampers are another $80. Fluid, cleaner, etc rounds it all up. Maybe you're super smart and pull it off for $600.
As a 928 owner, I listed the jobs every 928 owner has to do eventually. They are all minor and can be done in your garage. I have never taken my motor apart, which to me, means major maintenance. I think only your (willful) ignorance about the car separates you from the high probability that your car needs some of the things I mentioned.
Yes, you can buy the absolute cheapest parts (like that $103 rebuilt water pump that our trusted vendors won't sell anymore because of their history of failing), but you'll end up with the cheapest, crappiest car. One that you are hoping the next buyer won't know enough about to know that it hasn't been treated like a Porsche.
Maybe you do have the world's only 31-year-old 928 with bad paint and bad interior, that was meticulously maintained and completely up to date on hoses, belts, sensors, injectors, filters, A/C, etc. If so, I apologize for my assumption that it might need some work.
Good luck getting top dollar on that baby. Please keep us updated on how much you spend and how much you sell it for.
Matt
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11-12-2012, 07:01 PM
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more snobbery, a car is a hunk of metal with wheels, they are ALL basically the same, the engine in a 944 is essentially half of the engine in a 928, everyone knows that. 928's aren't better or worse than a 944 or 914 or a 924, 911's arent better than 928's and the rest, etc., each has their own characteristics and i don't buy into all that baloney and snob attitude.
i don't agree with you on you definition of minor mechanical, and only do quality so no worries when selling it... I still have two sets of wheels from my last 944 that i had fun with and sold for a profit that are worth over $1,000, this is for a car that cost $500. the guy who bought it was a porsche expert and loved the things i did to improve it and it was still a low price.
it also happens that i enjoy the building and making little improvements to old pcars more than buying a finished product... you really can make a car better than factory and can do it without losing your head on spending.
also not many old pcars are worth it to me putting in $10k - $40k - $100k that people put it into them, but if they enjoy it, i support them in what they want, i don't put them down, except if they start criticising me first, then i have a little fun with them. i'm saying i support you in buying expensive parts for your car if it makes you feel happy, but there are other ways to go about upkeeping an old car.
you have so many more options when you buy the right cheap car, it makes no sense to buy a relatively expensive old car just to replace everything in it, the best example i can think of is the old how to turbo your 944, here's how you do it:
this is a 944na made into a 450hp widebody turbo, this can be done for much cheaper than buying a ready to go 450hp turbo if you do the work yourself. of course if you pay someone to do it you can pay as much as $60k or more, but just add up the parts:
944na $500 or free
450hp engine $5-10k
wheels $1-$5k
other $5k
paint $500-$2k
that's a min $12k to max of $20k for a 450hp racecar it has to be much cheaper to do it yourself or professionals wouldn't make a living
11-12-2012, 07:22 PM
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more snobbery, a car is a hunk of metal with wheels, they are ALL basically the same, the engine in a 944 is essentially half of the engine in a 928, everyone knows that. 928's aren't better or worse than a 944 or 914 or a 924, 911's arent better than 928's and the rest, etc., each has their own characteristics and i don't buy into all that baloney and snob attitude.
i don't agree with you on you definition of minor mechanical, and only do quality so no worries when selling it... I still have two sets of wheels from my last 944 that i had fun with and sold for a profit that are worth over $1,000, this is for a car that cost $500. the guy who bought it was a porsche expert and loved the things i did to improve it and it was still a low price.
it also happens that i enjoy the building and making little improvements to old pcars more than buying a finished product... you really can make a car better than factory and can do it without losing your head on spending.
also not many old pcars are worth it to me putting in $10k - $40k - $100k that people put it into them, but if they enjoy it, i support them in what they want, i don't put them down, except if they start criticising me first, then i have a little fun with them. i'm saying i support you in buying expensive parts for your car if it makes you feel happy, but there are other ways to go about upkeeping an old car.
you have so many more options when you buy the right cheap car, it makes no sense to buy a relatively expensive old car just to replace everything in it, the best example i can think of is the old how to turbo your 944, here's how you do it:
this is a 944na made into a 450hp widebody turbo, this can be done for much cheaper than buying a ready to go 450hp turbo if you do the work yourself. of course if you pay someone to do it you can pay as much as $60k or more, but just add up the parts:
944na $500 or free
450hp engine $5-10k
wheels $1-$5k
other $5k
paint $500-$2k
that's a min $12k to max of $20k for a 450hp racecar it has to be much cheaper to do it yourself or professionals wouldn't make a living
i don't agree with you on you definition of minor mechanical, and only do quality so no worries when selling it... I still have two sets of wheels from my last 944 that i had fun with and sold for a profit that are worth over $1,000, this is for a car that cost $500. the guy who bought it was a porsche expert and loved the things i did to improve it and it was still a low price.
it also happens that i enjoy the building and making little improvements to old pcars more than buying a finished product... you really can make a car better than factory and can do it without losing your head on spending.
also not many old pcars are worth it to me putting in $10k - $40k - $100k that people put it into them, but if they enjoy it, i support them in what they want, i don't put them down, except if they start criticising me first, then i have a little fun with them. i'm saying i support you in buying expensive parts for your car if it makes you feel happy, but there are other ways to go about upkeeping an old car.
you have so many more options when you buy the right cheap car, it makes no sense to buy a relatively expensive old car just to replace everything in it, the best example i can think of is the old how to turbo your 944, here's how you do it:
this is a 944na made into a 450hp widebody turbo, this can be done for much cheaper than buying a ready to go 450hp turbo if you do the work yourself. of course if you pay someone to do it you can pay as much as $60k or more, but just add up the parts:
944na $500 or free
450hp engine $5-10k
wheels $1-$5k
other $5k
paint $500-$2k
that's a min $12k to max of $20k for a 450hp racecar it has to be much cheaper to do it yourself or professionals wouldn't make a living
11-12-2012, 07:24 PM
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As a 928 owner, I listed the jobs every 928 owner has to do eventually. They are all minor and can be done in your garage. I have never taken my motor apart, which to me, means major maintenance. I think only your (willful) ignorance about the car separates you from the high probability that your car needs some of the things I mentioned.
Yes, you can buy the absolute cheapest parts (like that $103 rebuilt water pump that our trusted vendors won't sell anymore because of their history of failing), but you'll end up with the cheapest, crappiest car. One that you are hoping the next buyer won't know enough about to know that it hasn't been treated like a Porsche.
There are more than one sub $150 928 water pumps for sale in a quick look on Google:
Shop for 928 water pump on Google
1978‑1986 Porsche 928...
$102.95
Google trusted storeAutoparts...
1978‑1986 Porsche 928...
$278.32
Partsgeek.co...
Porsche Water Pump (928...
$278.08
FCP Euro
1978‑1986 Porsche 928...
$129.95
1A Auto.com
1978 to 1986 Porsche 928...
$136.90
Am-AutoParts
So if you haven't got your 928 re-done in Oxnard you shouldn't reply except with kind supportive remarks.
Think about it, who's crazy? The guy who sends $10-$40k on their old POS car that will never be a show peice or collectors item or the guy who makes smart buying decions and spends $5k on the same thing and gets a better end product by doing it himself and not buying the most expensive stuff when it makes no difference?
11-12-2012, 07:29 PM
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I've restitched my steering wheel and it was time consuming, and I'm not certain I got the weave right. Be sure you get the right thread, I'm sure I got that wrong. What I got was leather but it's too thick, and you can definitely feel it when driving. I may take another whack at it.
11-12-2012, 07:38 PM
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more snobbery, a car is a hunk of metal with wheels, they are ALL basically the same, the engine in a 944 is essentially half of the engine in a 928, everyone knows that. 928's aren't better or worse than a 944 or 914 or a 924, 911's arent better than 928's and the rest, etc., each has their own characteristics and i don't buy into all that baloney and snob attitude.
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11-12-2012, 07:51 PM
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LeoDano lives down in San Diego, speaks Spanish fluently, and results are mixed at best. 928 stuff takes time to do it right, takes the best people they have and ties them up, and VERY frequently the first few attempts don't look right. Even if you pay them double the shops could crank out three or four normal jobs in the same time with less fuss.
Maybe the most straight forward task is recovering the steering wheel. Most 928 type shops get about $300. I haven't found anybody that can do a good job for materially less money without substantial risk of poor results. I do plan to take a whack at it myself.
Flat panels seem well within range of careful DIY.
Only a couple sources sell Porsche grade leather in the USA. Hides are around $600 last I looked. Automotive grade Alcantara (UV rated) is a bit more. Looks like Alcantara, not UV rated is a lot cheaper.
Maybe the most straight forward task is recovering the steering wheel. Most 928 type shops get about $300. I haven't found anybody that can do a good job for materially less money without substantial risk of poor results. I do plan to take a whack at it myself.
Flat panels seem well within range of careful DIY.
Only a couple sources sell Porsche grade leather in the USA. Hides are around $600 last I looked. Automotive grade Alcantara (UV rated) is a bit more. Looks like Alcantara, not UV rated is a lot cheaper.
you guys watch that show unique whips where they do hundred thousand dollar cars, all those guys do all the work but only the boss makes the big money, i'm sure if you knew one of them personally they would take a side job for you and give you the same or better quality that the NBA stars are paying a lot for.
11-12-2012, 07:55 PM
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I don't see where you get Jeff's comment as snobbery. Jeff can speak for himself, but I think he's making a comparison of production numbers as it applies to availability/price of aftermarket and oem parts. There were a lot more 944s made. I haven't been in the 944 market (yet), but I'm guessing that the huge difference in production numbers might make a big difference in what's available aftermarket, oem, and their price. I may well be wrong though.
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11-12-2012, 07:57 PM
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I spent about 3 years not using this site just because nearly every time I use this site I get snobbish remarks from people who don't know anything about cars (for the most part) who haven't done the things themselves that they are commenting on and who aren't answering the question I asked.
IMO, this online discussion stuff is a ****ty medium for communication, so many cues not present for interpreting what people type. FWIW I don't think Matt was being rude, if anything he was showing restraint after your cherry picking things out of context, like $700 brake pads. No one's buying $700 brake pads, c'mon.
As far as experience with shops in Oxnard, the closest 928'er to there that I can think of is Borland. Perhaps he'll chime in.
11-12-2012, 08:07 PM
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The cost of replacement cam gears, a wear item by the way, are more than you paid for your car.
I can't wait to see pictures of the completed project.
I am in not way about "how much I spend on my car". I am about driving it.
I spent $11,500 on a very mechanically sorted car. It had new tranny, brake master cylinder and booster, aftermarket radiator (lasted less than 10 years see below) After doing an intake refresh, new radiator, springs, shocks and motor mounts I have put approximately $6,000 into this car. I have done all the work myself including pulling the engine and replacing a bad piston. I have my labor valued at $0 in the above figure. My car had seats done in vinyl by the PO's local choice. Cost him $700 to recover both front seats. You can also tell it cost $700 to recover the seats.
Pray things you can't skimp on don't go bad. A/C / Heater control unit. $1000. Radiator, $900 for factory, $800 for aftermarket. Cam Gears mentioned above. $400 each. These cars are expensive to maintain. Can you rig it, maybe. Will it be evident to someone LOOKING FOR A 928. Yes because they, if they have a brain, will get a PPI and shoddy work will stand out which will make the buyer go bye bye. Parts cost money and 928 parts aint cheap anywhere. These aren't 944s by a long shot.
I can't wait to see pictures of the completed project.
I am in not way about "how much I spend on my car". I am about driving it.
I spent $11,500 on a very mechanically sorted car. It had new tranny, brake master cylinder and booster, aftermarket radiator (lasted less than 10 years see below) After doing an intake refresh, new radiator, springs, shocks and motor mounts I have put approximately $6,000 into this car. I have done all the work myself including pulling the engine and replacing a bad piston. I have my labor valued at $0 in the above figure. My car had seats done in vinyl by the PO's local choice. Cost him $700 to recover both front seats. You can also tell it cost $700 to recover the seats.
Pray things you can't skimp on don't go bad. A/C / Heater control unit. $1000. Radiator, $900 for factory, $800 for aftermarket. Cam Gears mentioned above. $400 each. These cars are expensive to maintain. Can you rig it, maybe. Will it be evident to someone LOOKING FOR A 928. Yes because they, if they have a brain, will get a PPI and shoddy work will stand out which will make the buyer go bye bye. Parts cost money and 928 parts aint cheap anywhere. These aren't 944s by a long shot.
i'm not hear to solve your problems, but how much is it to have the cam gears machined and put back on?
i think i'd take my car out of commission for a few years and rebuild the engine myself and put it back on with all the goodies and twin turbos or my own supercharger configuration (or just buy a supercharger kit) since most of us know that our 928 engines are old and will need major work, and you are planning on doing another $10k of minor mechanical soon, why not just put on a SC kit then drive it hard and fun until it breaks the engine and then put in a newly rebuilt engine that cost $1500 for the rebuild kit + $3000 for the engine + labor or just $3500 for a working used engine? you could just start your rebuild now while you are having fun breaking your current engine... once you break your engine and do the swap then start rebuilding the original engine and just keep going back and forth... sounds fun if you are realy into your 928.