S-4 hours need for refresh
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No powder coat just replacing all the goodies recommended by Roger came up to about $800. I have done the 16 and Early-32 Valve seems like the S-4 is a little more involved.
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I would figure 12 hours that would include RnR pf the cam covers and replacement / cleaning of everything else possibly more if your stripping the covers and intake both knocks a hall a CPS the flappy brgs the intake gaskets the injectors the intake hoses and new wires and caps and rotors
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Hell I spend more time than that just getting the bearings out of the throttle body and flappy.
I mean if I had just done a full refresh on one, yea I might be able to pull the intake and set it back on in 2 hours, but if I had just done it there is no need to pull it again.
This is the problem I run into when folks ask how long some thing takes, you have folks that consider painting a few parts to be a full overhaul, and others that think a full overhaul mean to do what amounts to zero timing everything.
They expect me to be able to do what I do for the same amount of time as some one else does what they call what I call the same thing.
This is not a attack on you Dr Bob, it is just one of the things that bothers me, folks read this stuff on here and think that is set in stone.
Like doing shocks, we have folks here that say they can do all four shocks in a hour, takes me far longer than that to just set the ride height, hell it takes longer than that to just get the adjusters freed up most times. (oh, I guess they are not doing that part when they do shocks
)Kind of like when one guy here does a transmission overhaul, he does a full differential rebuild also, and his price reflects that, but others say they have done a trans rebuild and never touch that part of the trans.
so you get what you put in to it or what you pay for.
So it all depends on what folks call a refresh I guess.
I am out of this one, cause I sure as heck am going to **** some folks off if I keep posting in this one.
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From: Bird lover in Sharpsburg
You are saying that you can remove the intake, replace all the injector o-rings, replace the knock sensors, remove and replace the bearings, replace and set the TPS and put that all back together in two hours?
Greg--
The basic mechanical part of R&R intake, replace flappy bearings, FI o-rings, replace hoses/gaskets, knock sensors and CPS takes a couple hours.
It's the cleaning, incidental wiring harness repairs, finding the wire connector bails that shot across the garage, fuel injector replace, doing the cam covers and all the goodies under them, fuel hoses, other vacuum hoses, ISV R&R, stuff like that, that are time-eaters. Hence the recommendation to allow a couple days total time. OP's question was specific to the intake; doing that and only that can be done in a couple of focused hours if everything is there and ready. But it seldom is, and the potential for scope creep on these projects is incredible.
Experienced intake replacer Rob Edwards, assisted by Scub Nurse dr bob, with a parts and hoses kit that was almost complete, managed to do my S4 intake in a couple afternoons. Parts were already painted/exchange so no prep or dry time on them. I did all the cam cover stuff a few days before he got to the house, so it was just the intake and the related stuff in the middle of the engine. Lifting and replacing the intake itself was not the major work; it was all the other 'stuff' that seemed to soak up the most time.
The basic mechanical part of R&R intake, replace flappy bearings, FI o-rings, replace hoses/gaskets, knock sensors and CPS takes a couple hours.
It's the cleaning, incidental wiring harness repairs, finding the wire connector bails that shot across the garage, fuel injector replace, doing the cam covers and all the goodies under them, fuel hoses, other vacuum hoses, ISV R&R, stuff like that, that are time-eaters. Hence the recommendation to allow a couple days total time. OP's question was specific to the intake; doing that and only that can be done in a couple of focused hours if everything is there and ready. But it seldom is, and the potential for scope creep on these projects is incredible.
Experienced intake replacer Rob Edwards, assisted by Scub Nurse dr bob, with a parts and hoses kit that was almost complete, managed to do my S4 intake in a couple afternoons. Parts were already painted/exchange so no prep or dry time on them. I did all the cam cover stuff a few days before he got to the house, so it was just the intake and the related stuff in the middle of the engine. Lifting and replacing the intake itself was not the major work; it was all the other 'stuff' that seemed to soak up the most time.
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I think in this case, 'couple' means about 10 hours, doing the actual assembly /disassembly. Bob's engine was pretty clean to start with, and the harnesses and most hoses were still in good shape. Hell, it probably took nearly 2 hours to get the damned injector connectors off, and then there was the injector bail that dove into the intake runner, and several hours' time spent driving to get implements of destruction to R&R the flappy bearings. Overall, it took us two long days to do Bob's intake R&R, start to finish, and that was after the intake had already been PC'ed.
I once removed an S4 intake in 2 hours. But no cleaning at all was necessary, and Greg Brown was on the other side of the engine.
I once removed an S4 intake in 2 hours. But no cleaning at all was necessary, and Greg Brown was on the other side of the engine.
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Start to finish, for me, being thorough, 20 hours.
This is really a meaningless number though, it takes however much time it takes to do it. It's like asking what's an S4 worth- you're not going to get a 'consensus' answer, just a lot of widely disparate data points, each of which only applies to the car in question.
This is really a meaningless number though, it takes however much time it takes to do it. It's like asking what's an S4 worth- you're not going to get a 'consensus' answer, just a lot of widely disparate data points, each of which only applies to the car in question.
