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Old 05-23-2011, 12:28 AM
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I had to drill out 2 or 3 of the bolts on my GTS brakes. Once the head is drilled off, and I removed the caliper, the remaining threaded portion of the bolt was removed by my fingers. So it was not the threads that seized, it was the socket head against the caliper.
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Originally Posted by blown 87
A hand held impact (hit with a hammer kind) is one tool that is very important to get a really good one.

My hand held impact was the very first Snap-On tool I ever bought, 41 years ago, and I could not tell you how many screws and bolts it has taken out that other hand held impacts would not, even the other Pro ones from Mac and Macto.
Most mechanics use the 3/8th one.

I do want to add, that I have some little used Snap-On air impacts for sale, but to be fair, I never have been very impressed with them.
That's very helpful, thanks. I'm sold and will order one tonight.
Old 05-23-2011, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by cold_beer839
I had to drill out 2 or 3 of the bolts on my GTS brakes. Once the head is drilled off, and I removed the caliper, the remaining threaded portion of the bolt was removed by my fingers. So it was not the threads that seized, it was the socket head against the caliper.
Hopefully it won't come to that on the one remaining bolt. I've had no damage to the bolt heads so far, and the removed ones appear to be coated with copper anti-seize. I have to agree that the issue appears to be the head to caliper contact rather than the threads. Sorry to hear yours were that difficult.
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Originally Posted by martyp
Hopefully it won't come to that on the one remaining bolt. I've had no damage to the bolt heads so far, and the removed ones appear to be coated with copper anti-seize. I have to agree that the issue appears to be the head to caliper contact rather than the threads. Sorry to hear yours were that difficult.
A tap with a hammer wont clear that seizing up?
Old 05-23-2011, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedtoys
A tap with a hammer wont clear that seizing up?
Very possibly. Won't know for sure till I get a hex bit socket that holds up
Old 05-23-2011, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by martyp
Very possibly. Won't know for sure till I get a hex bit socket that holds up
One other thing, some Euro mechanics really prefer the Hazet line for impact sockets, I think Greg Brown is one of them.
I have never had a issue with the Snap-On's but I think GB prefers the Hazet brand.

http://www.samstagsales.com/hazet.htm
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Marty--

I have the 3/8 drive impact driver. So far (30+ years) so good.

It was an expensive piece when I bought it, but saved back the cost after just one or two fasteners that I didn't have to drill out. Those that have a history with motorcycles know exactly what I'm talking about.

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You will not work on a bike with out one.

Originally Posted by dr bob
Marty--

I have the 3/8 drive impact driver. So far (30+ years) so good.

It was an expensive piece when I bought it, but saved back the cost after just one or two fasteners that I didn't have to be drilled out. Those that have a history with motorcycles know exactly what I'm talking about.
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Bob and Blown -

What kind of hammer do you use with the manual impact driver? Dead blow, peen, rubber, or?

Thanks,
M
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I use a 20oz brass hammer most of the time. For a few stubborn bolts when that isn't getting the job done, a 3# steel sledge gets the duty. Dead blow deadens the blow, exactly what you want to avoid. Rubber same. A ball-peen hammer is OK as is any other metal hammer. But... I have a phobia about hardened steel hammers and hardened steel anvil in the impact driver. I just avoid banging steel tools into each other for the most part.

Back to the original problem with the bolts sticking... I think I noticed that my car is missing a couple of the hardened washers that live under those bolts. I called Mark A at 928 International in the middle of a different adventure, and while he didn't happen to have new ones, he was able to supply a set of used ones. So when I do a brake system refresh in a short while, I will be sure that the correct washers are included. So there are no lock washers or anything else in there except bolt stretch to keep the tension on those joints. If the washers happen to be missing, that's a situation ripe for galling the caliper at the bolt seat. Make sure you have the washers in there, bottom line.
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Originally Posted by martyp
Bob and Blown -

What kind of hammer do you use with the manual impact driver? Dead blow, peen, rubber, or?

Thanks,
M
Depends on the screw or bolt and what it is in, you do not want to use a 48 OZ on thin sheet metal.

I normally grab my old 48 OZ ball peen.
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Originally Posted by martyp
I have a cheapo compressor - 30 gallon/5 horse upright - that should work CFM- and pressure-wise. I'm intrigued by the manual driver; do you have the 3/8" or 1/2" version? Looks like it would beat the heck out of hitting my wrench/socket driver on the handle. I've also read good press value-wise on the "Horror-Freight" EarthQuake driver (Garage Journal is an interesting resource). Any thoughts?

You'd love my 20hp Ingersol Rand scroll compressor with 2-100 gal tanks and a drier.
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Originally Posted by dr bob
I use a 20oz brass hammer most of the time. For a few stubborn bolts when that isn't getting the job done, a 3# steel sledge gets the duty. Dead blow deadens the blow, exactly what you want to avoid. Rubber same. A ball-peen hammer is OK as is any other metal hammer. But... I have a phobia about hardened steel hammers and hardened steel anvil in the impact driver. I just avoid banging steel tools into each other for the most part.
Originally Posted by blown 87
Depends on the screw or bolt and what it is in, you do not want to use a 48 OZ on thin sheet metal.

I normally grab my old 48 OZ ball peen.
Thanks! I have an old set of three peens, various weights, which should work nicely.
Old 05-24-2011, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dr bob
Back to the original problem with the bolts sticking... I think I noticed that my car is missing a couple of the hardened washers that live under those bolts. I called Mark A at 928 International in the middle of a different adventure, and while he didn't happen to have new ones, he was able to supply a set of used ones. So when I do a brake system refresh in a short while, I will be sure that the correct washers are included. So there are no lock washers or anything else in there except bolt stretch to keep the tension on those joints. If the washers happen to be missing, that's a situation ripe for galling the caliper at the bolt seat. Make sure you have the washers in there, bottom line.
I'll make sure I have those as well - all I've done so far is loosen the bolts, none removed. Thanks.
Old 05-24-2011, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jeff spahn
You'd love my 20hp Ingersol Rand scroll compressor with 2-100 gal tanks and a drier.
If you're offering to ship the system my way, then I'll gladly receive

Seriously, does sound very nice. What kind of air volume do you get out of that at ~120 psi?


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