Bar fight over my 928
05-07-2011, 11:27 PM
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I agree it is about respect. This situation very well could have ended up with us paying rgs944 final respects. Too many idiots carry these days. Mix in thug mentality, booze and drugs, as well as a crew of buddies and this was not a fight worth getting into.
I have been in more, let's call them, scuffles - yeah that's a good term, than most. When you grow up in the garden spots of Los Angeles (Compton, North Long Beach, Boyle Heights and La Puente) you learn to "engage" quickly, efficiently. A bit of time in the military doing more of the same meant by the time I was 21 I had lost all fear of dying. I subconsciously put myself near and in situations where there was always the potential for a "scuffle". I have never started a fight, never sought one out but I realized one day I made myself available for the prospect.
I've seen good honest and sometimes innocent people die in my life. A few from scenarios just like rgs944's. You get tired of attending to the "leftovers" from things like that. Kids without a Dad, a wife without a husband, a brother without a brother,... Because some idiot peed on your tire? I'm sorry, that is not getting or earning respect. As a married man, perhaps father as well, I don't know, how respectful would it have been if he had maimed one of the idiots, that the police when they arrived and saw him in the stronger position had decided to pull and shoot who they thought was the aggressor? Just how important would this lesson in respect be?
Polecat, understands the no fear of dying. It becomes something that is just not in you. I still don't fear death, any form of it or manner achieved. I have been beat uncounscious more times than I can count, been tied up for two days as a ten year old having idiot gang members using my head to clean their boots with, the end of my nose to stub out their menthols, kicking my ribs in. That kind of stuff at a young age kills something in you. For me it was dying.
I wonder about it at times, why I don't fear it, but mostly I'm too busy chasing my two year old to let it bother me. Now, That I fear, not being around for her, my wife and my older daughter (32 year old.... both she and the 2 year old were unexpected surprises in my life). Though I am missing the gene of mortality I am heavy on the gene of responsibility. To me, engaging those idiots was irresponsible. Its a far tougher thing to walk from those situations that are emotional with little net positive potential. The reward of this event ("teaching" some goons respect) did not offset the risk (death, serious injury, legal issues, etc.)
I guess the important thing to understand here is that in the end rgs944 had to wash the **** of his wheel anyway.
I have been in more, let's call them, scuffles - yeah that's a good term, than most. When you grow up in the garden spots of Los Angeles (Compton, North Long Beach, Boyle Heights and La Puente) you learn to "engage" quickly, efficiently. A bit of time in the military doing more of the same meant by the time I was 21 I had lost all fear of dying. I subconsciously put myself near and in situations where there was always the potential for a "scuffle". I have never started a fight, never sought one out but I realized one day I made myself available for the prospect.
I've seen good honest and sometimes innocent people die in my life. A few from scenarios just like rgs944's. You get tired of attending to the "leftovers" from things like that. Kids without a Dad, a wife without a husband, a brother without a brother,... Because some idiot peed on your tire? I'm sorry, that is not getting or earning respect. As a married man, perhaps father as well, I don't know, how respectful would it have been if he had maimed one of the idiots, that the police when they arrived and saw him in the stronger position had decided to pull and shoot who they thought was the aggressor? Just how important would this lesson in respect be?
Polecat, understands the no fear of dying. It becomes something that is just not in you. I still don't fear death, any form of it or manner achieved. I have been beat uncounscious more times than I can count, been tied up for two days as a ten year old having idiot gang members using my head to clean their boots with, the end of my nose to stub out their menthols, kicking my ribs in. That kind of stuff at a young age kills something in you. For me it was dying.
I wonder about it at times, why I don't fear it, but mostly I'm too busy chasing my two year old to let it bother me. Now, That I fear, not being around for her, my wife and my older daughter (32 year old.... both she and the 2 year old were unexpected surprises in my life). Though I am missing the gene of mortality I am heavy on the gene of responsibility. To me, engaging those idiots was irresponsible. Its a far tougher thing to walk from those situations that are emotional with little net positive potential. The reward of this event ("teaching" some goons respect) did not offset the risk (death, serious injury, legal issues, etc.)
I guess the important thing to understand here is that in the end rgs944 had to wash the **** of his wheel anyway.
05-07-2011, 11:52 PM
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I can not imagine what that did to you being ten years old and having that happen to you.
I agree it is about respect. This situation very well could have ended up with us paying rgs944 final respects. Too many idiots carry these days. Mix in thug mentality, booze and drugs, as well as a crew of buddies and this was not a fight worth getting into.
I have been in more, let's call them, scuffles - yeah that's a good term, than most. When you grow up in the garden spots of Los Angeles (Compton, North Long Beach, Boyle Heights and La Puente) you learn to "engage" quickly, efficiently. A bit of time in the military doing more of the same meant by the time I was 21 I had lost all fear of dying. I subconsciously put myself near and in situations where there was always the potential for a "scuffle". I have never started a fight, never sought one out but I realized one day I made myself available for the prospect.
I've seen good honest and sometimes innocent people die in my life. A few from scenarios just like rgs944's. You get tired of attending to the "leftovers" from things like that. Kids without a Dad, a wife without a husband, a brother without a brother,... Because some idiot peed on your tire? I'm sorry, that is not getting or earning respect. As a married man, perhaps father as well, I don't know, how respectful would it have been if he had maimed one of the idiots, that the police when they arrived and saw him in the stronger position had decided to pull and shoot who they thought was the aggressor? Just how important would this lesson in respect be?
Polecat, understands the no fear of dying. It becomes something that is just not in you. I still don't fear death, any form of it or manner achieved. I have been beat uncounscious more times than I can count, been tied up for two days as a ten year old having idiot gang members using my head to clean their boots with, the end of my nose to stub out their menthols, kicking my ribs in. That kind of stuff at a young age kills something in you. For me it was dying.
I wonder about it at times, why I don't fear it, but mostly I'm too busy chasing my two year old to let it bother me. Now, That I fear, not being around for her, my wife and my older daughter (32 year old.... both she and the 2 year old were unexpected surprises in my life). Though I am missing the gene of mortality I am heavy on the gene of responsibility. To me, engaging those idiots was irresponsible. Its a far tougher thing to walk from those situations that are emotional with little net positive potential. The reward of this event ("teaching" some goons respect) did not offset the risk (death, serious injury, legal issues, etc.)
I guess the important thing to understand here is that in the end rgs944 had to wash the **** of his wheel anyway.
I have been in more, let's call them, scuffles - yeah that's a good term, than most. When you grow up in the garden spots of Los Angeles (Compton, North Long Beach, Boyle Heights and La Puente) you learn to "engage" quickly, efficiently. A bit of time in the military doing more of the same meant by the time I was 21 I had lost all fear of dying. I subconsciously put myself near and in situations where there was always the potential for a "scuffle". I have never started a fight, never sought one out but I realized one day I made myself available for the prospect.
I've seen good honest and sometimes innocent people die in my life. A few from scenarios just like rgs944's. You get tired of attending to the "leftovers" from things like that. Kids without a Dad, a wife without a husband, a brother without a brother,... Because some idiot peed on your tire? I'm sorry, that is not getting or earning respect. As a married man, perhaps father as well, I don't know, how respectful would it have been if he had maimed one of the idiots, that the police when they arrived and saw him in the stronger position had decided to pull and shoot who they thought was the aggressor? Just how important would this lesson in respect be?
Polecat, understands the no fear of dying. It becomes something that is just not in you. I still don't fear death, any form of it or manner achieved. I have been beat uncounscious more times than I can count, been tied up for two days as a ten year old having idiot gang members using my head to clean their boots with, the end of my nose to stub out their menthols, kicking my ribs in. That kind of stuff at a young age kills something in you. For me it was dying.
I wonder about it at times, why I don't fear it, but mostly I'm too busy chasing my two year old to let it bother me. Now, That I fear, not being around for her, my wife and my older daughter (32 year old.... both she and the 2 year old were unexpected surprises in my life). Though I am missing the gene of mortality I am heavy on the gene of responsibility. To me, engaging those idiots was irresponsible. Its a far tougher thing to walk from those situations that are emotional with little net positive potential. The reward of this event ("teaching" some goons respect) did not offset the risk (death, serious injury, legal issues, etc.)
I guess the important thing to understand here is that in the end rgs944 had to wash the **** of his wheel anyway.
05-08-2011, 12:16 AM
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Dan is 100% correct.
I'm an old man, nothing to loose at this point. We both grew up in some of the same areas. Same fight or die backgrounds. I got almost 20 years on Dan, and while we both educated ourselves, I stayed in the life, and became an Angel.
Dan is without question, one of the most honest, generous, caring men I've ever met. he's the real deal, a very good man.
I'm OK till somebody screws with me. I've been in more bar, biker rat pack fights than I can really remember. In my world, I'm mild compared to some of my club brothers, but more than a handfull, for the common hood rat, or wanna be tuff guy. The real difference between me, and my brothers, is we train for it, cause we have to. We have to scrap all the time, so we're very good at it. If I get into a fight, at 68 I've got to do a lot of damage quick. Also I learned to be outrageous, really damage the first one and the rest will want no part of it.
Bottom line is: I'm an old dog, I don't want to learn any new tricks, or change. It's not in my makeup. Been at it for so many years, it's who I am.
FWIW, being in the club has cost me a lot over the years. Lost some really good people to violence.
Wearing my patch is like a big target. Most people keep their distance. Some are stupid and want to find out if all those stories are true, then we have to educate them.
I'm not saying my way is the right way, it's just my way.
I'm an old man, nothing to loose at this point. We both grew up in some of the same areas. Same fight or die backgrounds. I got almost 20 years on Dan, and while we both educated ourselves, I stayed in the life, and became an Angel.
Dan is without question, one of the most honest, generous, caring men I've ever met. he's the real deal, a very good man.
I'm OK till somebody screws with me. I've been in more bar, biker rat pack fights than I can really remember. In my world, I'm mild compared to some of my club brothers, but more than a handfull, for the common hood rat, or wanna be tuff guy. The real difference between me, and my brothers, is we train for it, cause we have to. We have to scrap all the time, so we're very good at it. If I get into a fight, at 68 I've got to do a lot of damage quick. Also I learned to be outrageous, really damage the first one and the rest will want no part of it.
Bottom line is: I'm an old dog, I don't want to learn any new tricks, or change. It's not in my makeup. Been at it for so many years, it's who I am.
FWIW, being in the club has cost me a lot over the years. Lost some really good people to violence.
Wearing my patch is like a big target. Most people keep their distance. Some are stupid and want to find out if all those stories are true, then we have to educate them.
I'm not saying my way is the right way, it's just my way.
05-08-2011, 02:22 AM
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Dan is 100% correct.
I'm an old man, nothing to loose at this point. We both grew up in some of the same areas. Same fight or die backgrounds. I got almost 20 years on Dan, and while we both educated ourselves, I stayed in the life, and became an Angel.
Dan is without question, one of the most honest, generous, caring men I've ever met. he's the real deal, a very good man.
I'm OK till somebody screws with me. I've been in more bar, biker rat pack fights than I can really remember. In my world, I'm mild compared to some of my club brothers, but more than a handfull, for the common hood rat, or wanna be tuff guy. The real difference between me, and my brothers, is we train for it, cause we have to. We have to scrap all the time, so we're very good at it. If I get into a fight, at 68 I've got to do a lot of damage quick. Also I learned to be outrageous, really damage the first one and the rest will want no part of it.
Bottom line is: I'm an old dog, I don't want to learn any new tricks, or change. It's not in my makeup. Been at it for so many years, it's who I am.
FWIW, being in the club has cost me a lot over the years. Lost some really good people to violence.
Wearing my patch is like a big target. Most people keep their distance. Some are stupid and want to find out if all those stories are true, then we have to educate them.
I'm not saying my way is the right way, it's just my way.
I'm an old man, nothing to loose at this point. We both grew up in some of the same areas. Same fight or die backgrounds. I got almost 20 years on Dan, and while we both educated ourselves, I stayed in the life, and became an Angel.
Dan is without question, one of the most honest, generous, caring men I've ever met. he's the real deal, a very good man.
I'm OK till somebody screws with me. I've been in more bar, biker rat pack fights than I can really remember. In my world, I'm mild compared to some of my club brothers, but more than a handfull, for the common hood rat, or wanna be tuff guy. The real difference between me, and my brothers, is we train for it, cause we have to. We have to scrap all the time, so we're very good at it. If I get into a fight, at 68 I've got to do a lot of damage quick. Also I learned to be outrageous, really damage the first one and the rest will want no part of it.
Bottom line is: I'm an old dog, I don't want to learn any new tricks, or change. It's not in my makeup. Been at it for so many years, it's who I am.
FWIW, being in the club has cost me a lot over the years. Lost some really good people to violence.
Wearing my patch is like a big target. Most people keep their distance. Some are stupid and want to find out if all those stories are true, then we have to educate them.
I'm not saying my way is the right way, it's just my way.
We need to hit the Dal Rae after or before Sharktoberfest, seriously.Greg, Yep, violent crimes against children have life long repercussions. I've been fortunate that the crazy crap of my youth at times protected me later, gave me a different and unique perspective on not just my life, but on life in general. Takes a long time to become whole after things like that. I am, in a total unexpected and strange way, the better for it.... I think. I like who I am even if nobody else does. I am an odd thinker, a contrarian at most everything I consider, so too besides missing the fear of dying gene I also lost the gene of being intimidated. Don't misunderstand what that means. As example, I've never been intimidated by authority figures, like police, drill seargents, four star generals, but certainly I understood and understand the significance of respect. In this I've been able to speak my opinion on all manner of subjects, sometimes when uncalled for. I am honest, hold nothing so unimportant to me than my opinion. It is the easiest thing for me to change and I am always eager to do so when evidence indicates otherwise. I am a strange bird, know I am the only one of my species and therefore try to enjoy every minute of every day.
rgs944, I do hope when you read my words they are not interpreted as condemnation for what happened but more words of a different perspective. I've never met you but I can tell you that I would enjoy the opportunity to do so and perhaps that will happen someday soon. I have been in situations with others who were much smarter, tougher, more fierce and practiced in "scuffling", both as kids and as professionals, (military) and yet they ended up dead because one of the other guys brought a gun, had a hidden buddy with a pipe, was mistaken by the police as the aggressor, or was later tracked and murdered in retribution. That I am here is testament not to a single lesson of respect but by sheer luck. It is a fool's folly to seek violence. In this I hope something has been shared that is meaningful to you.
05-08-2011, 02:45 AM
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Just to put the record straight I did not say anything about me driving home. As far as walking away, I know that was the smart thing to do. I also know everywhere is dangerous anymore but this was in a small city in the midwest and these guys were just drunk small town kids. So I was not real worried about any guns or anything. My biggest danger was hitting my head on the concrete or having them hit one of there heads and leading to serious injury. Again I am not saying I did the smart thing I am just letting you guys know what happened. I really do appreciate all the support, and trust me I very much appreciate the critisism as well.
05-08-2011, 02:48 AM
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Dan it would be my pleasure to treat. I used to be a valet at the Del Rae, I've known Bob Smith since I was 15 years old, and petted Sir Del Rea, before he matched or broke all of Dan Patch's records. The Del Rae is prolly one of America's finest dinner houses! My uncle Bill owned the Texico Station next door.
The Del Rae has the best chile in America!
This thread has brought back some fond memories, of my high school years at El Rancho, before I went back home to Hawaii to graduate.
I'm trying to get Greg Nettles to fly to Sin City, before Sharktoberfest, and he can chauffeur me in the Polecat. We'll get together for sure before. Will the turquoise car be finished by then?
The Del Rae has the best chile in America!
This thread has brought back some fond memories, of my high school years at El Rancho, before I went back home to Hawaii to graduate.
I'm trying to get Greg Nettles to fly to Sin City, before Sharktoberfest, and he can chauffeur me in the Polecat. We'll get together for sure before. Will the turquoise car be finished by then?
05-08-2011, 03:39 AM
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I would avoid taking anything valuable to a place where people get drunk, stoned or lose their senses otherwise. How could you NOT expect stupid and irresponsible behavior in such environments?
If you want to go there, don't take the shark, or at least leave early.
Alternatively, you could visit more upscale places, where you can mingle with more responsible people.
If you want to go there, don't take the shark, or at least leave early.
Alternatively, you could visit more upscale places, where you can mingle with more responsible people.
05-08-2011, 04:21 AM
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Dan it would be my pleasure to treat. I used to be a valet at the Del Rae, I've known Bob Smith since I was 15 years old, and petted Sir Del Rea, before he matched or broke all of Dan Patch's records. The Del Rae is prolly one of America's finest dinner houses! My uncle Bill owned the Texico Station next door.
The Del Rae has the best chile in America!
This thread has brought back some fond memories, of my high school years at El Rancho, before I went back home to Hawaii to graduate.
I'm trying to get Greg Nettles to fly to Sin City, before Sharktoberfest, and he can chauffeur me in the Polecat. We'll get together for sure before. Will the turquoise car be finished by then?
The Del Rae has the best chile in America!
This thread has brought back some fond memories, of my high school years at El Rancho, before I went back home to Hawaii to graduate.
I'm trying to get Greg Nettles to fly to Sin City, before Sharktoberfest, and he can chauffeur me in the Polecat. We'll get together for sure before. Will the turquoise car be finished by then?
Not sure if the Turquoise car will be finished by then. If it is, Greg can drive one of my two cars to your place.
05-08-2011, 04:31 AM
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Dan, sounds like a plan! We've got plenty of room for both of you. I'll let either of you take the Pantera, should have the new engine installed by then.
Lets work on Greg, he's weak, we'll get him over to the dark side easy. LOL!
Lets work on Greg, he's weak, we'll get him over to the dark side easy. LOL!