Landseer

I watch NASCAR for the advertising.

If I can see the sponsorship logos, I try to buy the products in the grocery store during the next week.


Meanwhile, since we are on the fringe of OT anyway, enjoy a tribute to a historical funny car team:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqexM...layer_embedded

blown 87

Jungle Pam, how many a man and boy wanted to just use her for a night or two.

To some, she was a Butterface, but to real drag race folks, or real men, they know better.

RIP Jim (Bill).

PS, if this does not have a lot of Pam, shame on you.

EDIT: Chris, I just watched this, thank you for remembering a pair of legends, and double thank you for lots of Jingle Pam.
Ya did really good.

Hilton

I reckon with a budget like that I could make a 928 competitive...

Of course, after $3.9m of the budget, it may only share the indicator stalks with a stock 928...

blown 87

At least we know what he said about traditional gender roles.

Maybe it was all for the crowd............

Here is another of Jim and Pam

Z

It really amazes me how some 928 "facts" mysteriously appear on this forum.

http://transaxle.homeip.net/928/928S/AFN/Index.htm
http://transaxle.homeip.net/928/928S...8384/Index.htm
http://transaxle.homeip.net/928/928S...cord/Index.htm
http://transaxle.homeip.net/928/928s/Nardo/Index.htm
http://transaxle.homeip.net/928/928GTS/Nardo/Index.htm

With all of the inherent timing belt failures, water pump failures, electrical failures, rod bearing failures, and all of the oil being pumped up into the heads, the guys running those cars must have been really quick with their pit stops, to fix all of those things every lap or two, and still end up with the results that they got.

Landseer

Thanks for those links.
I sit in the stands, though, at Richmond watching the action on that short tri-oval and don't know how a 928 could participate.


For Greg and other Pam fans, this thread has a lot of pictures and the whole story.
At some point, Pam herself shows-up with some commentary. (post 393)



http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ght=jungle+pam

(parts of the thread were deleted over time. FYI Jim died in a car accident on the highway in the late 70's. Bill is her significant other nowadays.)

Speedtoys

Ever consider the tiller position?

Id wanna do that...


Just..dont be this guy..

Speedtoys

Ooook.


Well, in happyland, you can get 30 cars on a track and have an extremely high survivability rate for that -1- race moving nearly 1000 crank HP for a # of hours..and thats just everyday engine technology.


With only 5.8l of displacement.


Did I run over your dog in a past life?


If I did, Im really REALLY sorry.


But im not your target this weekend.

Speedtoys

With or without Amsoil?


(All due respect, said in joking, with a smile and a beer in mind)

Speedtoys

http://www.saabhistory.com/2007/05/1...long-run-1986/


Damn..did not know that.


Says something about (1)marketing and (2)styling...that ive never HEARD of this #1, and #2...I still wouldnt want one...even with this distinction.

White Lightnin'

Poking fun at the topic of the thread by inserting quotes to appropriately (or inappropriately) contribute to the aforementioned 'poking fun'... does not mean you (or any person) is a 'target'. NASCRAP is more of the target here.

Perhaps you can utilize your own phrase when you are thinking you are being singled out and attacked by others... dude, lighten up!

RKD in OKC

I assumed that since the term Watching NASCAR on TV was used there was some sort of distilled beverage involved.

White Lightnin'

True, but an additional 'psychedelic or hallucinogenic' property is needed to fully believe a 928 could compete in NASCRAP.

Just sayin'...

danglerb

Doesn't somebody in SoCal own a white tube frame 928, or did back in the 80/90 era?

I was at Willow Springs in something like 88 for a driving school in BMWs on the back track, and some club or something had the main track and this white 928 was leaving everybody in the dust.

slate blue

I think the 4V 928 engine (highly modified) could match the pushrod engines at least for a while in terms of power as there is enough airflow to produce over 800 hp ( I have had heads flowed that would do over 375 cfm) but the new dedicated Nascar engines are very sophisticated in terms of their oiling and water flows. You would need $100K to build such an engine.

The reason I say that is because the GT3 FIA engine can produce the same hp per liter as the nascar engine and the heads that the 928 engine can use are very similar in design. Same included angle, valve sizes similar valve lifts etc.

You have to remember that the Nascar engines are designed to use carbs and the 928 engine throttle bodies so you will never get a apples to apples comparison.

A little tidbit on engine commonality

So where is the commonality between Nascar and the 928, well it is in the engine and common to the Dodge engine particurlary. First the timing drive, most teams use Jesel. These are precision mechanisms. Jesels uses a Gates belt, same as the 928 if you buy Genuine that is! According to Rob Remesi of Jesel, there is a number of advantages of this type of drive over gears or chains.

"The fibre reinforced belt is significantly stronger than a timing chain. At the same time , unlike a chain or gears the belt absorbs and reduces the amount of harmonics that is transfered from the crankshaft to the camshaft. This allows the camshaft to rotate more smoothly calming the valvetrain componants."

"A timing chain or gear drive must be constantly bathed in oil to properly function. At high RPM the parasitic drag created by the componants revolving through the oil results in an overall horsepower loss. Due to the fact that the belt is run externally and requires no lubrication, there is no horsepower loss"

The commonality of the Dodge engine is that it also has an open deck. Wheres I had considered this to be a disadvantage, certainly in the case of a NA engine it appears to be of an advantage. Evernham engines runs these thin wall cast iron blocks uncoated. (Some Nascar teams insert a Nicasil Sleeve) McArdle notes,"That having the 20 head studs isolated from the cylinders minimises the danger of bore distortion. He remarks that Evernham have found hot honing to be of no benefit due to the low levels of distortion.