mx22

If you are OK with other places besides Best Western, you might as well look at other alternative hotels in the area; probably cheaper then the whole house. I just don't think staying away from BW will be anywhere near as much fun...

fraggle

Going to skip alcoa - bringing the wife and daughter and don't want to risk any child endangerment charges.

jej3

Anyone else staying at "The Pinnacle Inn"?

http://www.pinnacleinn.com/default.asp

My two kids and I have booked into there. We're flatlanders here in Florida so knowing that BW was a lost cause for a late booking, we chose a place with plenty of Mountain Views

blown 87

???????

That party is mild compared to the parking lot at the BW, you can drive with the slow bunch, seems to be just Rob and myself right now.

robot808

Rob, you & me.

blown 87

You going to be there with us Bob? cool.

Sorry about that Bill.

fraggle

Just flippin you guys some **** man!! I'll have to see how things all fit together schedule wise.

yardpro

looks like my wife may not be able to make it...

if that is the case, i may try and get to alcoa to run the tail of the dragon... If I can keep my son from ratting me out.

Starting on the wp/tb project tonight, so it should be up and going by then without issue...

Courtshark

BW is still booked, though there have been a few cancellations. I'm 4th on the waiting list. In the meantime, I booked a suite at the Little Main St. Inn, just up the road. It has an extra futon for whoever wants it, and it has a full kitchen which might come in handy. I'll cut you a nice deal...

DR

I can clarify this very easily, all 928 Owners that are coming to Sharks in the Mountains to enjoy our event and not try to use the event to promote their business (928 or otherwise) OR their friends’ 928 businesses are welcome.

There are basically 3 exceptions….

One is any 928 owners that happen to also be 928 Vendors. Any 928 Vendor needs to call me to discuss attending our Private Event. It is a simple as that. I would never attend another companies event without asking first or being invited, I consider that rude and disrespectful. I expect no less from anyone else in the same position.

The second exception is anyone that disrupts the event in any way and/or promotes other 928 Vendors at our event.

The third exception is quite frankly very few people who I personally do not want at my event. This includes anyone that have shown a pattern of creating negative impact towards Shark in the Mountains or my company 928 Specialists.

The bottom line is anyone that plans to attend with ANY other motive than to just have fun with our fellow 928ers is not welcome. While “support” of 928 Specialists as a 928 vendor is not required or even expected and never has been for the past 14 years… you can’t blame me for not wanting people there that have negative attitudes towards and/or creates any negative impact towards my company and/or my event.

I would assume when anyone here puts on a party for your “friends” you would most likely not welcome or invite anyone that has shown you clearly they are certainly not your friends, and/or plan to come to the party to create negativity and/or divisions among your invited guests . It is as just as simple as that.


Hi Tony,

It has been clearly stated on our website for years it was a private event. It always has been and I assure you there is no discussion or TBD change on that subject. Hopefully the above reply clears everything up for you. Please let me know or give me a call if it doesn't and you need more clarification.

Cheers,

Dave

DR

Crap, can't believe we have to go thru this all over again this year, grrrr!!

My apologies to most people for this post, but I pretty much have not been given a choice but to respond to this.

Uh, NO it's NOT an “Open Event”, period!


Weird, this is now 2 years in a row for you to start all this same BS drama yet again.

Roger,


I had planned to talk with you over the phone and handle this privately man to man as it should have been done all along. But after what happened last year here on Rennlist when you twisted my words and out and out lied to people about what I said during our phone conversation, AND since you have once again chosen to make this a public situation instead of private as it should be… I figured it would be best to just go ahead and reply here and get it over with. At least that way I know everyone is seeing my real words without you putting words in my mouth like last year.

Roger, the bottom line is you are not welcome to my event. When you asked me last year when we talked on the phone if it was personal or just business. I told you plainly it was not about you personally, it was more about me and my health and the stress created from Vendors attending my event. At that time it was NEVER about YOU.

However, after the crap you started last year concerning SITM, plus other things that have happened since then, and now you start this same crap again this year…AND basically saying you are coming to my event no matter what… I can plainly say you have made it VERY personal and it now is certainly about you!

Roger, I am asking you to please show some respect for our 928 event, or at least to most of the 928ers who attend our event, and stay home or go somewhere else besides anything even remotely related to our SITM Event.

Any attendance by you will only serve to create negativity for the event and for most if not all 928ers that attend. That goes the same for any of your “crew” that are attending with the intentions of creating anything other than a “neutral” stance towards my company or myself. This has nothing to do with any 928ers from Texas, anyone that thinks this is a “Texas thing” is simply being silly and down right stupid. This about David Roberts and Roger Tyson, NO ONE ELSE.

I know without out a doubt that you could care less about creating stress and ruining the event for Jeannie and I (you have proved that to me by your posts in this thread, the one last year and many other ways) by your planned “forced” attendance …BUT I am asking you to at least show you do care about the enjoyment of the 928ers that attend our event.

If you want to go down as the single person who ruined the largest 928 Event in the US for many 928ers this year by “forcing” yourself on the event, that you are not welcome or invited to…well that is your choice and I will let your conscious guide you. I guess I was raised different, but honestly I would be completely embarrassed if I was trying to publicly force myself on an event I was not welcomed and/or invited to the way you have done the last 2 years.

Unfortunately because of your threatened actions I am meeting with the City tomorrow to discuss changing the format of the event. Last year we were given the choice to have all of our event areas roped off and not allow the general public to be able to walk thru and look at the cars. I suggested it might be cool for all the 928ers attending to let the public walk around in the 928 parking areas to gawk at the cool 928s. Now just because of you we are discussing going back to the original plan of keeping the public away from the 928 areas. We are also discussing the same with the “Hotel Parking Lot Party”. Pretty sad to have to do this just because one person (and maybe a “crew”??) wants to come here to disrupt, create negativity and discord at the event.

You know Roger, had you not started the crap last year before SITM and just took it like a man that you weren’t invited (like all the other Vendors who graciously understood), plus the other things you have done since then…things might be different now. BUT, you have dug your hole with me on a personal level and you have no one to blame but yourself.

I ask you once again to please show some sort of professionalism or at a minimum some sort of honor/respect to the 928ers attending of Sharks in the Mountains and do not come here.

… I “Hope that makes my intentions clear for all to see”.

Sincerely,

David




To all others and especially friends and supporters of Roger’s, no matter how certain people try to twist this situation into something it is not, this has nothing to do with the 928 Community, the 928OC, Rennlist or anyone other than Roger and myself. I do apologize for all of this drama as I always prefer that these matters to work themselves out privately man to man …but it seems I am not being given any choice in this matter.

As a special note to all of Roger’s friends and supporters, again this has nothing to do with any of you, this is between two people, period. Do not think or feel that just because Roger is not welcome that the same applies to you. Just like anyone else that attends SITM, IF you want to come to SITM and enjoy all our event has to offer and can do so without causing/spreading “negativity” or “drama” at the event you are welcome with open arms as always.

Cheers,

Dave

SeanR

Just quoting so he can read it when he gets back.

Just in case something changes.

DR

Hi Sean,

If you recall I am not the one who goes back and deletes my posts when they don't look favorable on me. You have no worries about it not being there. The ones I made last year are still there...ironically lots of the other peoples there are not.

I stand by my words...as long as they are mine and not lies spouted by others claiming they are my words.

But in all seriousness, this really has nothing to do with you, never has to my knowledge. I hope I am not wrong about that.

As they say in Texas AND North Carolina... "You don't have a Dog in this hunt" :-)

Cheers,

Jadz928

Aside from having a blast at your event/party DR, many attend your event for the community aspect.
Your event allows the opportunity to have fun, make friends, and exchange ideas/ownership experiences.

Often times the exchange of ideas involves discussion about 928 parts supply.
"Where did you get that cool part for your 928?"

Similarly, this exchange involves opinions and experiences shared.
"I tried the 928 MS control and and it fit poorly, 928 International sells great rebuilds... you should try them!"

It would be hard for anyone to pass the weekend without hearing:
"The Porkension'r is the best thing since sliced bread... where do I get myself one of those?"

See, I'm going to be in town for a few days, and granted I may have enough SITM t-shirts from years past... they are getting a little worn out.
I may need to where some of the other favorite 928 t-shirts. I particularly like my plain and simple 928OC black t-shirt.

I think you guys are the BEST and your event is one of the BEST!

I would never consider myself malicious, nor do I have any intent to derride.
However, like many I have opinions and experiences both good and bad from my many years of 928 ownership.
I would like to continue to feel comfortable sharing my ownership/enthusiast stories.

Also, because I care, because WE care for you and Jeannie...
I hope you understand there may be a few people asking the questions, "how's 928 Specialists?"

I hope you see where I'm coming from.

DR

Everything you mentioned is all a part of normal 928 discussion and I take part in all of that as much as anyone. You know there has NEVER been any type of censorship like that at any SITM and never will be. Plus I get to learn about stuff others like and are using too. Heck, I already know about my stuff, I like to hear about other's goodies too!

What I am talking about is plain and simple "intent". There is a big difference between discussing products and walking around passing out business cards saying "here you should buy from these guys instead of 928 Specialists".

Some people don't realize that while most of my body has gone to **** lately...my ears are scary and always have been. Part of this comes from working in nightclubs for decades, I have this knack at filtering out sounds and focusing on certain voices.

In my DJ hayday I could be in a nightclub with 2500 people partying and could listen to conversations on the dancefloor from 100+ feet away over the pumping music and screaming crowd. Part of why I got laid so much, I knew what the chics were saying about the "DJ" and what they wanted to do with him, I just fulfilled their wishes....HA HA!!

Concerning dress code, I honestly have never paid any attention to people wearing other vendors t-shirts or whatever they want to wear. I know if you think hard about that deep inside you know I am not that kind of person.

The only real time I noticed something like that was just last year when Wayne(NY) was wearing a 928 International T-shirt and HE and others made a big deal about it..plus the fact he was honestly embarrassed...so I had to pile on and rib the heck out of him. I thought it was hilarious and was one of the highlights of the day for me. Especially the look on his face when I pointed him out to one of my Beech Mountain Police buddies and said loudly throw this guy out... you should have seen Wayne's face when the big burly Sarge started towards him,.it was one of those priceless SITM moments I will always remember.

Not sure if you saw the pics I took and posted, Wayne took a black marker and crossed thru the shirt and wrote 928 Specialists on it. Honestly I couldn't believe Wayne did that, but you know how Wayne is. Funny thing and to show you my attitude about that, I felt like I owed him a new shirt for doing that after us ribbing him about it.

Even funnier was the year Roger had a bunch of SITM t-shirts with 928srus logo on it. Hell, I didn't even notice it until someone was bitching about it a few months later.. I actually had to go to my closet and look at him before I would believe it.

So wear what you want, I really don't care...and heck as far as I am concerned there are a few 928ers GFs and Wives that I would be happy if they didn't wear ANYTHING... Ha, Ha!

Concerning your last question, ""how's 928 Specialists?"
" dang Jim that is a tough one. I have always been a private person and have been trying my darnedest for the past few years to hide some of my problems, even from Jeannie. I am not very comfortable discussing things like that even privately much less publicly. I have only recently started talking to people privately about some of it. If you want to know any details ask me again at SITM.

I will say that things are sloooowwwlllyyy getting better and I am still fighting all of it, the illnesses, the loss of not being at work soo much and disappointing so many people on so many levels, including most of you guys here, therefore creating a loss of financial security, losing my health insurance and all of that crap....and yes I can say(and am told I am supposed to) I am hopefully getting the severe depression resulting from all of that under control....wait, let me rephrase that, I AM getting that under control, just wish it was faster. Quite frankly, thanks to one 928 friend who happens to be a VERY good medical professional I am still here... had it not been for him...well,...hmmm, maybe I can talk about that later in private.

OK, enough of that, I am a heck of a lot better off than a TON of people in the world and I am thankful.

Back to your subject, when Jeannie and I started doing Sharks in the Harbor (while still in Atlanta) it was always about the 928 PEOPLE! We wanted to put on a party/event celebrating 928 Owners, 928 Ownership and of course 928s. BUT people have always come first to us. That is how Sharks in the "wherever" started and what it has always been about. There were and are other events that were about 928 Tech sessions, selling 928 stuff , or whatever...

BUT Sharks has always been for us like a party with friends. We never really even attempted to sell stuff at our own event...partly because I never wanted it to be like some sort of "Time Share Selling deal" (think South Park) and partly because heck that is what we do all year long...we just wanted to hang out and have fun with everyone. I have always been against Vendors including myself selling stuff at our event, think about it...if you had 250+ friends come to your place for a party...would you want people trying to sell stuff to your guests at your party with your friends??

We fought year after year to keep this event more like a party, but year after year more and more "vendors" started showing up and selling stuff out of the back of their 928s or whatever. While all this time I was hugely insulted, felt completely disrespected and utterly and completely taken advantage of and USED.... all while I am footing the bill, feeding everyone etc, etc.

But, I kept looking the other way in hopes some would ...crap, I can't think of the right words..I'll just say "do better".

Then year after year more 928 owners started their own companies, and this made it especially hard for me. All of this was creating more and more stress during the event and the last thing I wanted to do was tell ANYONE they couldn't come to SITM. It just wasn't how I am and so basically I stuck my head in the sand and hoped it would go away.

Based mainly on this one issue SITM had become drudgery in some ways for me and for the past 6 years or so I NEVER had any fun at my own party.

Flash forward to last year, I had been bed ridden since right after Christmas 2009 thru mid March 2010 and was suffering the worst attack of TN disease at that point. (we didn't know what it was then or even how to "control" it. Luckily it was so bad it was finally diagnosed then).

Anyway, in a moment of clarity one day in Feb and also because I was told stress was a factor that triggered these attacks.. I sat up in bed and told Jeannie that I couldn't take it anymore and that there were going to be NO Vendors allowed at SITM this year. I can still remember her reaction as she said "You can't do that, what about Roger...If he can't come none of the guys from Texas will come, there will be a sh*t storm". I won't use the exact language, but basically I said, I don't give a crap, this is not about Roger or anyone else, it is about me and my well being. I continued to say "if the only reason any one is not coming is just because Roger or ANY other Vendor is not coming, and they are not coming to enjoy our event with all our fellow 928ers.. the MFs can stay the F home" She again said you can't do that, I said it is "Done".

The rest is history.

...and Jim, I gotta tell ya.. last year SITM was the most fun I have had in so many years I can't even tell you. It was great, I didn't have people running to me every 5 minutes saying "So and So is doing whatever" etc, etc. I had an absolute BLAST, it was pure bliss for me!!!

I can go on and on, but typing this has worn me out and I want to go home so I am stopping here. Hopefully I answered some of your questions and addressed your concerns. If not let me know of even give me a call.

Cheers,