Rob Edwards

I'm bucking the trend too. I like the stock GT shifter in my 90; the GTS has an aftermarket shifter in it that is MUCH shorter. I find it signifcantly harder to use despite a new metal front coupler, new rear coupler, and brand new synchros on 1-3. Certainly possible that I still have a DD intermediate plate issue...

A quick run thru PET reveals the following stock shifter usage:

928 424 067 08 78-84
928 424 067 11 85-89 non-GT
928 424 067 50 89-91GT
928 424 067 51 93-95

I'm tempted to try either a -50 or a -51 shifter to see whether that helps. Anyone still got a stock shifter in their 5-speed GTS?

Lizard928

It is bogus. Once you learn to shift with the short shifter, you will never go back. And I believe once you get it down it will be easier on the syncros.

But then again, some may think I am bias, simply because I made that short shifter.

Landseer

Drove your version too.
Stock is smooth and easy by comparison.
Short is notchy.

dprantl

I prefer the middle ground, the stock shifter on my GT that is shorter than the earlier years but longer than the short-shift kit that bypasses the front shift cup.

Dan
'91 928GT S/C 475hp/460lb.ft

Opelotus

How does the bypassed front shift cup setup work?

dprantl

Instead of anchoring by the bellhousing, the kit anchors right by the shifter opening instead.

Dan
'91 928GT S/C 475hp/460lb.ft

Ispeed

I have tried the new one, the short shifter that several vendors sell and of course stock. (S4)
From all the way forward in 2nd to all the way back in 3rd:
stock: 6"... Row your boat.
short: 3.25" This is good.
new short: 2" Wow, very short.

It is worth investigating a short shifter, as they seem to remove vast amounts of slop anyways regardless of a shorter throw. Tighter tolerances than oem.

jheis

Hi Van

The original short shifter sold by the big three, not only shortened the shift lever, but also changed the geometry of the fulcrum points. I didn't receive any instructions with my "kit" & was really amazed at how much force was required to install it. You REALLY had to pry the two shift rods apart. IMHO anything that requires that much force is poorly designed. However, once installed, it still works fine after 40k miles.

The difference between the original shifter & the short shifter is like rowing a boat & slotting a rifle bolt home - dramatic improvement.

I have no experience with the new "Lizard Shifter," but it looks intriguing in that it eliminates the ball cup fulcrum point on top of the torque tube. If you haven't met the front ball cup yet, it is the part - when (not if) - it fails will leave you in the middle of a San Francisco intersection in rush hour traffic with a box full of neutrals.

I've seen a couple of posts asking for pricing on the Lizard Shifter, but haven't seen anyone list a number.

I've looked at the installation instructions on Roger's site trying to figure out how it works & was generally impressed by the design.

As I interpret the instructions, you to put a wrench on the front shift rod and rotate it until the front ball cup pops off the fulcrum point and then slide the shift rod forward - out of the way. The instructions, however, then go on without of any mention of what you do with the forward shift rod - just leave it there flopping around on top of the torque tube? Don't know.

Did you install the Weltmeisters & did it accomplish the desired result?

James

Rob Edwards

I'm perfectly willing to believe that there is still a gremlin or two in the adjustment of my DD clutch that may be affecting shifting at redline under WOT, but I've been rev matching shifts in many different cars over the last 25 years, I don't think this is a learning issue, per se. I let Mark Anderson drive it, he wasn't real crazy about the shifter either, and for all I know, it's a 928Intl short shifter... . Is that a more valid anti-endorsement?

Shark_Week

i guess i don't mind rowing that much. not much shifting after 120. still stock 5 speed GTS! thanks very much

Rob Edwards

Martin-

If you put it in 2nd gear, and measure from the radio face to the front of the ****, and then take the same measurement in 3rd gear, what's the 'throw'? Whatever mine is, the throw is 3.75". It's blue anodized.

SeanR

On the Lizard shifter, I don't even grip the top of the shifter on the ones I've installed. Just using my fingers at the base, thumb moves it forward, index and middle pull it back, and make small movements, click, click, click, click. That smooth and easy.

tlsmith1999

Sean,
Is there a difference between the older 5spds, and newer? Have you put a Lizard shifter in an OB?

Shark_Week

Rob, i'll go check
wow, i had no idea that the throw was that much. quick rough measurement was at least 5.5 inches maybe closer to 6.
maybe time to try a short throw version?

Lizard928

My shifter does require the bushings in the rear to be perfect, and you do need to ensure that the rear universal for the shifter linkage needs to be adjusted perfectly.

I have personally installed it on many cars, and I had one that I had to readjust the rear universal.
However I have installed it on an early box (81), and it works perfectly.

With regards to the comment on the front shift rod, I have only seen one car where it has made any noise at all. I havent had a chance to get in there, and dont know if the owner has himself. But I had planned on just putting a zap strap up and around it to secure it into place.
All the others have just sat there and not moved or made any noise what so-ever.

Rob,
My bogus statement was more to do with the additional wear to the transmission.
I have found a number of DD clutches that need work, and to most they feel ok, but once they are properly set up they work brilliantly, and you will wonder how you ever lived with the clutch the way it was before. I will be converting my car to manual very shortly, and I will be using a DD clutch with a modified (non adj) intermediate plate to ensure that it works properly.

My track car has my prototype short shifter in it, along with a 2:1 ratio throw reducer in the back. I was planning on taking out the 2:1 ratio due to the fact I seem to be the only one who could find ANY gears. But now, I think I will just lengthen the shifter so that it is closer to the wheel.

To anyone reading this, my shifter has a much more "gated" feel to it, and has ZERO play in it. So if you like mushy, this is not for you. And give Rog a call and ask for the price. I know, I know, he is such a hard guy to talk to!