Build quality of the 928 vs. Others
11-24-2010, 10:04 PM
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I had the previous generation truck. But I know they share lots of components.
Does your truck hold itself with the parking brake? My '90 never did, even after a complete overhaul of the system. IMHO, a 6000# truck that can't even be held from rolling away under it's own weight is a huge liability.
Of course I lived on a decent hill, but still. I kept chocks in the thing at all times.
Does your truck hold itself with the parking brake? My '90 never did, even after a complete overhaul of the system. IMHO, a 6000# truck that can't even be held from rolling away under it's own weight is a huge liability.
Of course I lived on a decent hill, but still. I kept chocks in the thing at all times.
But only because I can reline them with the only high performance shoe lining available.
Im a Porterfield distributor..before good linings, no joy, after..oh ya..no probs, and lift a car fully..still holds.
11-25-2010, 01:36 AM
#48
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Agreed, but same applies to the 928s.
You have to put everything in perspective. How did the previous owners treat the vehicle prior to you purchasing it?
Exploding neck was a known issue for all early 90's MB's. They should have installed an aluminum sleeve in the neck to prevent cracking/stress. I had a 92 500 E with double the miles of my 928 and it was in far better condition except for some paint chips on the hood and hazed lights.
Exploding neck was a known issue for all early 90's MB's. They should have installed an aluminum sleeve in the neck to prevent cracking/stress. I had a 92 500 E with double the miles of my 928 and it was in far better condition except for some paint chips on the hood and hazed lights.
11-25-2010, 01:41 AM
#49
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The seat was sagging when I bought the car with 60k miles, so I'll blame the PO
Yes, those are the exact issues w/ my wife's car. The radiator issue was resolved with a metal piece off another car. The head gasket was dealer-fixed prior to my buying the car (at ~44,000. Now has 250K). As for the sagging seat, maybe you have a huge butt... my wife has a nice small one. 
11-25-2010, 02:15 AM
#50
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928S4 pretty good , but interior quality not so great. Dash, carpet.
Often poorly thought out for servicing access. Overly complicated at times, but you forgive it for the way it goes :-))))
80s E class Mercs had far better quality interiors, my old 72 280S was really well made.
Our 03 X5 is very poor, cheap plastic fittings, personally I think it drives poorly too, MIL 07 530i is terrible. Mid 90s Merc 500CL was crap, wiring degraded after only 10 years, all those big S class mercs around that time were complete rubbish, maybe ok with a six cylinder as the heat wouldn't be as bad.
Porsche 996, ha what a joke about the engine, I think Porsche got their fingers burnt and have upped their game. Then again I love Range Rovers, and will most likely get a Disco 3 next year as the kids are getting too big for the back, so whats my opinion worth!
Often poorly thought out for servicing access. Overly complicated at times, but you forgive it for the way it goes :-))))
80s E class Mercs had far better quality interiors, my old 72 280S was really well made.
Our 03 X5 is very poor, cheap plastic fittings, personally I think it drives poorly too, MIL 07 530i is terrible. Mid 90s Merc 500CL was crap, wiring degraded after only 10 years, all those big S class mercs around that time were complete rubbish, maybe ok with a six cylinder as the heat wouldn't be as bad.
Porsche 996, ha what a joke about the engine, I think Porsche got their fingers burnt and have upped their game. Then again I love Range Rovers, and will most likely get a Disco 3 next year as the kids are getting too big for the back, so whats my opinion worth!
11-25-2010, 02:59 AM
#52
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This was a car designed by engineers, using only the best of the best (except for those GTS engines with crap rods and heavy cranks and having forgotten to drill holes in pistons and so on
)One of my favorite things is taking on a new part of the 928 and tearing into it and finding absolute pleasure in discovering how and why Porsche did what they did with the 928.
It always was a boutique car, but even then I think build quality was far superior to whatever Mercedes and Ferrari was doing at the time.
Owners, well, most owners dont have the funds to keep these things tip top. That has allot to do with the valuation on these cars and that low entry point attracts buyers with thinner wallets typically, and i think we all agree that most 928's for sale will shortly require $3,000 - $5,000 in service updating.
11-25-2010, 05:46 AM
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If you've ever tried to restore a 1980s Corvette, you'll know that Chevy treats them like disposable cars. You can't get most of the parts anymore. My body shop guys laugh at people who bring those cars in thinking that something can be done to fix the peeling paint on those pot-metal mirrors, or the inevitably broken front bumper that is no longer available.
1980s Porsches, even 944s, do not have such problems standing in the way of good restorative work.
1980s Porsches, even 944s, do not have such problems standing in the way of good restorative work.
11-25-2010, 09:14 AM
#54
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I agree that my 928 was very well built. But like everything else, if you don't take care of it, it will deteriorate in a hurry. I've seen some really bad examples of 928s that were sick to look at and at the same time, there are others like mine that will run from hibernation to hibernation (late spring/summer/late fall) with only oil changes and a few tweaks here and there. My car is now 21, and only cost me two oil changes in 8 months. Not bad at all.
11-25-2010, 09:48 AM
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Had a Black Pearl, 94 MB E 500 (upgraded to a 6.0 Liter RennTech stroker motor, then rebadged as an E 600) and the build quality was superb. This car did double duty as a track/street car & and held up superbly. I would have to say that the build quality was as good as a Porsche 928, but then again, it was co-built by Porsche ! My brother drove a 93 500E for approx 12 years that again, did both track/street duty but unfortunately was totaled. Note: My brother sustained no injuries in that crash. He then bought the 500 E back for cheap from his insurance co, and is now using it as a parts car for his newly aquired Black Pearl, 95 E 500. Note: This is the only 95 E 500 in the country. This car also does double duty as a street/track car, and is a very rare ride. My wife's ride is a 2003 4-Matic E320 Wagon. I think it's the last model year for this car to have been built in Germany and it shows, build quality, again, superb. Great ride, no problems. T&T
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11-25-2010, 12:29 PM
#56
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Did Porsche change supply different materials in different MY's or in different markets?
11-25-2010, 12:40 PM
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928 in my opinion is a well built car for sure. I love German cars of that era. They are rock solid. I had a MB 280CE. 2.8L fuel injected, 4 wheel disc brakes. A solid car and she could scoot! Also had a 83 300TD. That car is probably still on the road. She had close to 400k when I sold it and I wouldn't have thought twice about taking her for a croos country drive!
11-26-2010, 03:37 AM
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Another stat that Porsche is very proud of, is the fact that of all the Porsches ever built, 70% of them are still on the road today!
I could only imagine what the number would be for GM or Ford, maybe 20%? If that even, The cars are built to last and thats against the typical car companies disposable car model, where it gets so beat up after 8 years it must be taken off the road.
I could only imagine what the number would be for GM or Ford, maybe 20%? If that even, The cars are built to last and thats against the typical car companies disposable car model, where it gets so beat up after 8 years it must be taken off the road.
11-26-2010, 12:03 PM
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Another stat that Porsche is very proud of, is the fact that of all the Porsches ever built, 70% of them are still on the road today!
I could only imagine what the number would be for GM or Ford, maybe 20%? If that even, The cars are built to last and thats against the typical car companies disposable car model, where it gets so beat up after 8 years it must be taken off the road.
I could only imagine what the number would be for GM or Ford, maybe 20%? If that even, The cars are built to last and thats against the typical car companies disposable car model, where it gets so beat up after 8 years it must be taken off the road.
I'm not so sure 70% from a small, niche car company is really that impressive. I wonder how the number would change if you drop the 914 and 944 from the list.
11-26-2010, 01:03 PM
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Interesting - I have never found a denser, taller, better carpet in a car than what I have in my 85. Not in a new car of any mainstream brand and not in an older car mercedes included. I once ordered some new sliverknit (supposedly) from a auto carpet joint and sent it back because it was **** in comparison.
Did Porsche change supply different materials in different MY's or in different markets?
Did Porsche change supply different materials in different MY's or in different markets?
