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Old 11-14-2010, 06:05 PM
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Hi Hilton

Tried moving the wires in my plug this evening and it didn't quite work for me as planned - typical? With the wires in position 1 & 3 in the Country connector plug my lights still come up and they now light up in position 1?

I also noticed that I don't have the Dip-beam unit - someone must have removed it previously.

So not sure why my88 is acting so strange on this? Any idea's?

MAny Thanks

Steve
Old 11-14-2010, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bizman928
Thats great Hilton
Thanks for the description and photo's. I cannot seem to find my "dim-dip" module so guess the last owner may have removed it. Might be why my Headlights don't come on in dip mode.

Like the thought of having my headlights come on in dip mode whilst they are down.....have you got a photo of how this looks on your 89?

Enjoy the weekend and thanks again.

Steve

New Black MY88 928 S4 Auto starting its transformation and new life
Steve - after I posted the pictures above I had a look in the same place on my '89 (which definitely has the dim-dip module, as it works and I get the low-voltage lights). Its not in the same place - so its possible you do have it, just elsewhere.

My 89 is up on stands at the moment, so I'm loathe to climb inside it to have a look up under the dash or behind the glovebox until its securely on 4-wheels.

A local who has an ex-UK '88 SE posted on the 928uk e-mail list last night saying he'd changed his coding plug and had it now behaving "normally" by world standards including headlight washers.

Here's the guts of that thread:

Starting with location in an '88:

Originally Posted by jon928se
Looking forwards it's just left and just above the top left hand corner of the wooden cover of the central electric panel but may well be tucked behind (ie further forwards in the car) the aluminium dim dip controller box. There is another 3pin socket a bit further aft than the one you're looking for that in my 88SE has nothing plugged into it. You can tell them apart as follows. The dim dip coding plug (the part plugged into the socket that is part of the wiring harness) has male pins in the plug, and obviously female pins in the wiring harness socket. The other "red herring" socket that is a bit aft has male pins in the wiring harness part.
Originally Posted by jon928se
The control unit for Dim/dip is p/n 911618231.00 Made by Hella and called ABBLICHT-DIMM-STEUERG. reduziertes Fahrlicht. IIRC it is located forwards and above the LH/EZK ecus and is an alu box about the size of a cigarette packet. I think this p/n has been posted earlier in this thread.

The coding plug is a 3 pin plug with only twon pins in it and a wire that bridges pins 2 and 3 to enable dim dip (It bridges pins 1 and 2 for non dim dip operation but those of you with non late 87 or 88 cars won't be interested in this anyway) It has p/n 928.607.422.00 and is labelled "Adapter fur codierung"

Removing both control unit and coding adapter results in the lights working normally (like all other 928s) but as Paul mentioned the headlight washers stop working.

Having never seen the WD info about the coding plug before - I must have been asleep - I'm about to change my coding plug to non dim dip mode and plug it back in to see what happens ...... or not.
Originally Posted by smiffypr
Looking at the '88 wiring diagram, the M061 link is remote from the
fuseboard, on connector T5 ("behind control unit console") and is
labelled as follows:
"Only M061" on a wire joining the White/Blue wire to the Green/White wire.
"Not Applicable With M061" on a wire joining the White/Blue wire to the
White/Black wire.

Removing the link will leave the wiring incomplete, the link needs to be
swapped over so it connects C11 and C14.
Originally Posted by jon928se
I can now confirm that changing the coding plug so that pins 1 and 2 are bridged and resinerting it (The dim dip control unit is still on the bench) results in lights that work as normal and the headlight washer now works as well (push the right hand side steering column stalk forwards.)
Old 11-14-2010, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Bizman928
Hi Hilton

Tried moving the wires in my plug this evening and it didn't quite work for me as planned - typical? With the wires in position 1 & 3 in the Country connector plug my lights still come up and they now light up in position 1?

I also noticed that I don't have the Dip-beam unit - someone must have removed it previously.

So not sure why my88 is acting so strange on this? Any idea's?

MAny Thanks

Steve
Coding should be either pins 1/2, or 2/3.

See the bit quoted in my post above by Smiffy for colours of the wires, as I couldn't see numbers on the pins in my '87.
Old 11-14-2010, 08:47 PM
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Hi Hilton
Yes caught that listing on 928.org.uk and Smiffy's wrote up. Will have another check & play with the connector next weekend now and see if I can make any more progress.

Many Thanks
Steve
Old 11-15-2010, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bizman928
Hi Hilton
Yes caught that listing on 928.org.uk and Smiffy's wrote up. Will have another check & play with the connector next weekend now and see if I can make any more progress.

Many Thanks
Steve
If you can't read the numbers on the plug (I struggled but I knew I started with 2 and 3 bridged so finding 1 was EASY) get back to me or PM me and I'll go look and take a photo - you can relate it to the angles on one side of the plug.
Old 11-15-2010, 01:17 PM
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As noted above and in my original note its 1 & 2 (ROW) or 2 & 3 (UK) linked not ever 1 & 3

As to the pin identification hope this helps:

Pin 1 car side wiring is White/Black wire
Pin 2 car side wiring is White/Blue wire
Pin 3 car side wiring is Green/White

Alan
Old 11-15-2010, 02:06 PM
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Thanks for the clarification Alan and Hilton, seems the OP didnt get the wires swapped correctly


Alan wrote,
As noted above and in my original note its 1 & 2 (ROW) or 2 & 3 (UK) linked not ever 1 & 3

As to the pin identification hope this helps:

Pin 1 car side wiring is White/Black wire
Pin 2 car side wiring is White/Blue wire
Pin 3 car side wiring is Green/White
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Originally Posted by Bizman928
Hi Alan & Greg

As Alan has pointed out, I have never seen another bulb in the main headlight

Steve
I got a picture of his today and will try to find time to post it tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by Bizman928
Hi Alan & Greg

As Alan has pointed out, I have never seen another bulb in the main headlight

Steve
Here ya go

Old 11-19-2010, 06:59 PM
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Those look like 7" H4's - they look a lot different (lens pattern) to the 8" style.

Do you know if he added this or PO added it or does it look stock? What year is this one?

Alan
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Originally Posted by Alan
Those look like 7" H4's - they look a lot different (lens pattern) to the 8" style.

Do you know if he added this or PO added it or does it look stock? What year is this one?

Alan
Around 83-84, damn good question.

It looks like it came in the bulb, no idea if it is stock or not.
Old 11-26-2010, 10:08 AM
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Hilton Et.Al.

Thanks for all the help from everyone. I eventually managed to sort this with pins 2&3 jumpered in the country code plug by the LH ECU as has been noted here above. First time I tried this the pins moved out of their new position when I plugged it back together so it didn't work. Got the pins to stay put and click into the small holder clip this time and now my lights work like the other model years - stay down in Position I and up in Position II.

I can concentrate on my LED side light upgrade no this weekend.

Thanks everyone again for your help.

Steve

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I can't believe it's taken me so long to try this again

The first time I did so I was irritated that I lost the headlamp washer function

However I decided to try again because I'm going to be on track tomorrow and there is a requirement to have lights on

I should be able to get away with front fog lights, and if so then I should end up with photos that will contrast with this

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I did this a few years ago when fitting LEDs bulbs. Not the best of photos but you get the general idea.



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Looks much better






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