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Old 07-10-2010, 11:17 AM
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Here are the 355 performance figures from Wikipedia

Performance
Max power @ rpm: 380 hp (283 kW) @ 8250*[2]
HP/liter: 109 hp/l
Torque @ rpm: 363 N·m (268 lb·ft) @ 6000[2]
0-60 mp/h: 4.6 s [5]
0–100 km/h: 4.7 s [2]
0–160 km/h: 10.8 s[6]
Quarter Mile: 12.9 s [2]
0–1000 m: 23.7 s [2]
Top speed: 295 km/h (183 mph)

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1.^ Pund, Daniel. "Inside Line: News, Road Tests, Auto Shows, Car Photos and Videos". Edmunds.com. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...rticleId=98526. Retrieved 2009-11-25.
2.^ a b c d e f "Ferrari.com - F355 Berlinetta". ferrari.com. http://www.ferrari.com/English/GT_Sp...55_Spider.aspx. Retrieved 2010-03-16.
3.^ "1996 Ferrari F355 Challenge". conceptcarz.com. http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z11189/default.aspx. Retrieved 2007-09-01.
4.^ "Ferrari F355 Challenge - European Super Car". motortrend.com. http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...car/index.html. Retrieved 2010-03-16.
5.^ "Carfolio.com - F355 Technical specs and data". carfolio.com. http://www.carfolio.com/specificatio...car/?car=71786. Retrieved 2010-03-16.
6.^ "ferrariworld.com/Cars/Yesterday/F355 GTS". ferrariworld.com. http://www.ferrariworld.com. Retrieved 2007-09-01.
Buckley, Martin & Rees, Chris (1998). World Encyclopedia of Cars. London: Anness Publishing. ISBN 1-84038-083-7.
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Hmm, this thread is oddly timed.. I've been thinking of a 348 (sorry James, I think it is beautiful..) or a 360. I actually stopped by my mechanic last night to ask him about a 360 I'd seen and a few 348's I've seen online. The 348's at 25 to 30 thousand now.. are probably the best bang for the buck.. the first modern styling, and yes it is a baby Testarossa. 355 looks too.. MR2ish for me, and valves and exhaust issues are almost a given it seems..
Anyway, my mech. strongly recommended that I consider the 360.. his rationale and mine.. transmission issues and reliability. Given the price range I vote 348 or 308.
After a owning 928.. can the ferrari be THAT much different? ;-) (assuming non-ferrari parts and general reliability).

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Old 07-10-2010, 12:26 PM
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Curt,

LOL! You have my least and most fav V8 mid engined F-cars there! LOL! LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the 360, 348, well...you already know how I feel about that car!
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I like the 355. You have it wrong. The MR2 is 355ish.
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Originally Posted by tmpusfugit
And as others have suggested the 355 is entirely different beast from a 928. It's 3.5 liter V8 engine with 5 valves per cylinder sounds a bit strange to me, and it is certainly low on torque at lower RPM's. It starts to wake up at about 4k rpm's.
Not a problem for me - I used to own a Honda Prelude SH. I never let that engine get below 2300 rpm except to shut it off! Same story - once the cam switch came at 5200 rpm (IIRC) it lit up.
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Originally Posted by tmpusfugit
An aquaintance here in Houston recently picked up a 1999 fly yellow 355 convt (Spyder) with 7000 miles for under $30k. The car is perfect inside and out. However, his first official service after he bought it included a required timing belt change, it evidently requires dropping the entire engine/transaxle module to do the belt change. The belt was $86 and the R&R was just under $9800.
Yeah, that's starting to look like a show-stopper. The major services on many of these cars require dropping the engine. Yikes!!! If I could DIY it, then maybe, but I could not stomach a service bill like that. I saw a 355 eBay listing that said the engine just got it's 30k miles service, which included $15k in parts! WTF? Clearly, it is not a car for the just-reasonably-well-off...
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Originally Posted by VehiGAZ
Yeah, that's starting to look like a show-stopper. The major services on many of these cars require dropping the engine. Yikes!!! If I could DIY it, then maybe, but I could not stomach a service bill like that. I saw a 355 eBay listing that said the engine just got it's 30k miles service, which included $15k in parts! WTF? Clearly, it is not a car for the just-reasonably-well-off...
Yes the 348, 355 and TR require the engine to be dropped for the major service. In their defense, the whole driveline, wheels and all, comes out the bottom in one giant subassembly. So if you have a lift and the appropriate engine stand it's really pretty easy. It can also be done on the floor with very tall jackstands and two jacks, but that's harder. It's a fair bet that just r&r the subframe was NOT $9800 - that had to include lots of other WYAIT stuff. Just like that 15 grand in parts was not a major service, but had to be lots more stuff.

308/328 and 360 and up don't require engine removal for the major. Parts and labor really aren't that different from Porsche when you're looking at a 928. Price a full 928 service with a well known shop who knows the car and does a real end-to-end service using factory parts and I bet you it will be more than $5k - about on par with the 308/328. It's just that most 928 people are DIY'ers and most Ferrari people are not. I paid a premium for the full service on my 308 to set a baseline. Then I'll maintain it myself from here and the costs should not be any more than my 928.
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You and me both, Sterling! But here's that daunting quote:

"The 30k Mile service was completed by Ferrari at a cost of 27k 15k total cost n parts and the balance in labor which basically overhauled the major mechanical/electrical components of this vehicle."
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Originally Posted by shmark
Parts and labor really aren't that different from Porsche when you're looking at a 928.
Well, not sure I agree with this in full anyway.

Every shop I know that works on F-cars charges more than the shops that work on 928's (and P-cars). Further, we have TONS of used parts as well as suppliers building parts for MUCH less money than the factory sells the same parts for in in some cases OUR parts are better than Porsche! There are not many F-cars to get used parts off of an there are also so few of them around in general that they don't have the level of support in the aftermarket that we enjoy.

In fact if you have looked at any of the F-car aftermarket parts (almost all of them are for show or performance...they are not just replacement type parts) they cost MORE than the factory stuff!

So, while a 928 is not going to be cheap, it is going to be cheaper than ANY F-car to maintain...
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from the furrparts site:

http://www.ferraripartsexchange.com/engines.htm

Back to the Pantera...

Great looking, practical car that won't break the bank to own- basic Detroit lump.
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Originally Posted by pcar928fan
Well, not sure I agree with this in full anyway.
Maintaining a Ferrari can be more expensive than maintaining a 928 (hope my wife doesn't read that). There I said it. Especially considering most Ferrari owners pay shop rates and factory parts prices. But if you buy nothing but factory 928 parts from a dealer and do the work by the book, you'll be pretty near the cost of that Ferrari. I limit this to the 308/328 since the others are well known high maintenance. Approach it like we do on this forum, buying parts from independent vendors and lots of DIY, and you're going to be pretty close to 928 maintenance. I hope.
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There are not many F-cars to get used parts off of
Aw, that's just 'cause the failure mode for a 15-25 year old Ferrari is to burn to the ground. Doesn't leave behind many useable spares....

I trust you did the fuel lines on your 308, Mark?
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^^^^^
Ha ha ha! LOL!!! That is funny stuff right there!!!
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Originally Posted by Rob Edwards
Aw, that's just 'cause the failure mode for a 15-25 year old Ferrari is to burn to the ground. Doesn't leave behind many useable spares....

I trust you did the fuel lines on your 308, Mark?
That's harsh.

It's CIS, so it's a bunch of twirly hard lines. The fuel distributor isn't mounted to the engine, so the lines resemble springs/spaghetti for vibration resistance. Very Italian solution. The only rubber line on the car is about a foot long coming right out of the tank and yes, that was replaced during the service. There was one line from the fuel distributor that had been broken a long time ago and brazed back in place. Yeah that got replaced too. Total service cost would have bought Brian that nice 5-speed he's looking for...comfortably.


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