The Max Moritz 'Semi Works' 928 GTR
04-01-2010, 05:56 PM
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The Max Moritz 'Semi Works' 928 GTR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_928
I did a search but came up short. Does anyone have any further pictures or information on this?
TIA ....
Porsche's Racing Department never officially entered or prepared a racing 928 for a pure works entry.Only once Porsche decided to make it obvious to the 911 enthusiasts that they usually tended to underrate the racing genes of the 928. Porsche then "arranged" this 928GTR to compete against the then dominant 911(993GTR) on the race track. In order not to offend sensibilities of their traditional 911/993GTR customers by officially challenging them with an outright Works - 928GTR, Porsche asked Max Moritz Racing, their long time private racing partner from next door Reutlingen to enter this 928GTR Cup as a 'semi-works' car.
It didn't come as a surprise that the drivers were: Bernd Mayländer, Manuel Reuter (Porsche Works Pilots), also Harm Lagaay (then Head of Porsche's Design Studio).
Vittorio Strosek sponsored MM with his Lightweight-Body-Parts and racing exhaust.
The car was officially entered by Porsche-Club-Schwaben.
Homologation minimum weight had to be, and actually is 1,370 kg (3,000 lb).
Lagaaij reports, that the car was very competitive and able to hold most 993GTR down, although the engine was no more than fine-tuned after chosen from a set of high power output specimen in Weissach.In the last race of the season at Hockenheim a crank-bearing ran dry. As the car was supposed to race in 1995 as well, she was made ready to continue her successful competition in the 1995 season. A fresh engine was installed, selected from the same lot of high output engines and tuned as before. In 1995 Porsche's 928 production came to an end, and the car consequently was not raced in the new season.
The late Max Moritz himself then had her join his collection of historic cars. She was not put on the road again until after his death, when the family sold the car in October 2004 - with only 24500 km on the clock (Porsche-Weissach is the only documented owner).
I did a search but came up short. Does anyone have any further pictures or information on this?
TIA ....
Porsche's Racing Department never officially entered or prepared a racing 928 for a pure works entry.Only once Porsche decided to make it obvious to the 911 enthusiasts that they usually tended to underrate the racing genes of the 928. Porsche then "arranged" this 928GTR to compete against the then dominant 911(993GTR) on the race track. In order not to offend sensibilities of their traditional 911/993GTR customers by officially challenging them with an outright Works - 928GTR, Porsche asked Max Moritz Racing, their long time private racing partner from next door Reutlingen to enter this 928GTR Cup as a 'semi-works' car.
It didn't come as a surprise that the drivers were: Bernd Mayländer, Manuel Reuter (Porsche Works Pilots), also Harm Lagaay (then Head of Porsche's Design Studio).
Vittorio Strosek sponsored MM with his Lightweight-Body-Parts and racing exhaust.
The car was officially entered by Porsche-Club-Schwaben.
Homologation minimum weight had to be, and actually is 1,370 kg (3,000 lb).
Lagaaij reports, that the car was very competitive and able to hold most 993GTR down, although the engine was no more than fine-tuned after chosen from a set of high power output specimen in Weissach.In the last race of the season at Hockenheim a crank-bearing ran dry. As the car was supposed to race in 1995 as well, she was made ready to continue her successful competition in the 1995 season. A fresh engine was installed, selected from the same lot of high output engines and tuned as before. In 1995 Porsche's 928 production came to an end, and the car consequently was not raced in the new season.
The late Max Moritz himself then had her join his collection of historic cars. She was not put on the road again until after his death, when the family sold the car in October 2004 - with only 24500 km on the clock (Porsche-Weissach is the only documented owner).
04-01-2010, 07:25 PM
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Not much on the web about it. Here are a few links that mention it:
http://www.928.org.uk/news/102-event...rburgring.html
http://images.search.yahoo.com/image...sigb=13h9grulr
http://www.thedeathknight.com/928/928_GTRTN.jpg
I find this amusing, <<Porsche's Racing Department never officially entered or prepared a racing 928 for a pure works entry.Only once Porsche decided to make it obvious to the 911 enthusiasts that they usually tended to underrate the racing genes of the 928. Porsche then "arranged" this 928GTR to compete against the then dominant 911(993GTR) on the race track. In order not to offend sensibilities of their traditional 911/993GTR customers by officially challenging them with an outright Works - 928GTR
, Porsche asked Max Moritz Racing, their long time private racing partner from next door Reutlingen to enter this 928GTR Cup as a 'semi-works' car.>>
So Porsche, while they knew they had a winner in the 928GTR, decided to puss-out rather than ruffle some feathers. I guess the Germans always know which side the bread is buttered. I say TFB to the air-cooled elitists. If they had the better car, they should have proved it on the track.
http://www.928.org.uk/news/102-event...rburgring.html
http://images.search.yahoo.com/image...sigb=13h9grulr
http://www.thedeathknight.com/928/928_GTRTN.jpg
I find this amusing, <<Porsche's Racing Department never officially entered or prepared a racing 928 for a pure works entry.Only once Porsche decided to make it obvious to the 911 enthusiasts that they usually tended to underrate the racing genes of the 928. Porsche then "arranged" this 928GTR to compete against the then dominant 911(993GTR) on the race track. In order not to offend sensibilities of their traditional 911/993GTR customers by officially challenging them with an outright Works - 928GTR
, Porsche asked Max Moritz Racing, their long time private racing partner from next door Reutlingen to enter this 928GTR Cup as a 'semi-works' car.>>So Porsche, while they knew they had a winner in the 928GTR, decided to puss-out rather than ruffle some feathers. I guess the Germans always know which side the bread is buttered. I say TFB to the air-cooled elitists. If they had the better car, they should have proved it on the track.
04-02-2010, 12:27 AM
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The truth is Porsche wanted/needed to move to a front engined water cooled design to meet the growing emissions and safetty regulations. Trouble is Porsche would have gone brankrupt if the ignored their largest and most loyal custoer base. They made the right business decision for the time.
12-04-2010, 11:04 AM
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The MaxMoritz Semi Works ...
There is articel on that one-off car in N0 4/10 of the german magazin "PORSCHE FAHRER" describing how it came about that Porsche entered the car (through MaxMoritz) - german speaking folks welcome :-)
http://www.heel-motor-on-shop.de/ZEI...hrer/index.htm
http://www.heel-motor-on-shop.de/ZEI...hrer/index.htm
12-07-2010, 09:55 AM
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I wonder how difficult would it be to summarise the official racing history of the Porsche 928? The article on the Max & Moritz car is inaccurate to say the least...
1. Porsche 928 S - most definitely a works car as posted above. Driven by Steckkonig and Clausecker - both works drivers. Held the Nurburgring VLN lap reckord that year. Pictures of the car can be seen in the Brian Long book. Same car raced at Daytona as part of the Brumos Porsche team. Still exists, whereabouts unknown
2. Porsche 928 S - built by Probst and Mentel with the support of Porsche. Something of a poor relative to the above due to lower budget at the time of built. Still exists, owned by Herr Bratke, a classic car dealer/racer in Germany and is actively raced in the 24h ADAC Classic at the Nurburgring.
3. Porsche 928 S4 - built by Wehmeir und Castrup (Porsche, Audi and VW dealers for Bielefeld), definitely a works car given the driver line up - Haam Lagay, Hans Stuck, Steckkonig - and the extensive mods to the car, which were beyond the scope of an amateur team. Finished 7th overall in the 24hrs of the Nurburgring in 1987. Still with the dealership. The best 928 Racer ever built by the factory.
4. Porsche 928 S4 - built by TTP, definitely a works car given the extend of the modifications. Was for sale for a while in Germany with a granaded engine, bought by a French lister, then Puyi posted pics of the car.
5. Porsche 928 GTS - Strosek/ Max Moritz car. A lot more of a "gentleman's racer" rather than the two out and out racers above. Still in Germany but with different owners...
Hope that clears it a little bit...
1. Porsche 928 S - most definitely a works car as posted above. Driven by Steckkonig and Clausecker - both works drivers. Held the Nurburgring VLN lap reckord that year. Pictures of the car can be seen in the Brian Long book. Same car raced at Daytona as part of the Brumos Porsche team. Still exists, whereabouts unknown
2. Porsche 928 S - built by Probst and Mentel with the support of Porsche. Something of a poor relative to the above due to lower budget at the time of built. Still exists, owned by Herr Bratke, a classic car dealer/racer in Germany and is actively raced in the 24h ADAC Classic at the Nurburgring.
3. Porsche 928 S4 - built by Wehmeir und Castrup (Porsche, Audi and VW dealers for Bielefeld), definitely a works car given the driver line up - Haam Lagay, Hans Stuck, Steckkonig - and the extensive mods to the car, which were beyond the scope of an amateur team. Finished 7th overall in the 24hrs of the Nurburgring in 1987. Still with the dealership. The best 928 Racer ever built by the factory.
4. Porsche 928 S4 - built by TTP, definitely a works car given the extend of the modifications. Was for sale for a while in Germany with a granaded engine, bought by a French lister, then Puyi posted pics of the car.
5. Porsche 928 GTS - Strosek/ Max Moritz car. A lot more of a "gentleman's racer" rather than the two out and out racers above. Still in Germany but with different owners...
Hope that clears it a little bit...
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Roland Kussmaul retired from Porsche a couple years ago. He was certainly familiar with the Wehmeir und Castrup entry. Maybe you could contact him and see if he could shed further light on all this.
I wonder how difficult would it be to summarise the official racing history of the Porsche 928? The article on the Max & Moritz car is inaccurate to say the least...
1. Porsche 928 S - most definitely a works car as posted above. Driven by Steckkonig and Clausecker - both works drivers. Held the Nurburgring VLN lap reckord that year. Pictures of the car can be seen in the Brian Long book. Same car raced at Daytona as part of the Brumos Porsche team. Still exists, whereabouts unknown
2. Porsche 928 S - built by Probst and Mentel with the support of Porsche. Something of a poor relative to the above due to lower budget at the time of built. Still exists, owned by Herr Bratke, a classic car dealer/racer in Germany and is actively raced in the 24h ADAC Classic at the Nurburgring.
3. Porsche 928 S4 - built by Wehmeir und Castrup (Porsche, Audi and VW dealers for Bielefeld), definitely a works car given the driver line up - Haam Lagay, Hans Stuck, Steckkonig - and the extensive mods to the car, which were beyond the scope of an amateur team. Finished 7th overall in the 24hrs of the Nurburgring in 1987. Still with the dealership. The best 928 Racer ever built by the factory.
4. Porsche 928 S4 - built by TTP, definitely a works car given the extend of the modifications. Was for sale for a while in Germany with a granaded engine, bought by a French lister, then Puyi posted pics of the car.
5. Porsche 928 GTS - Strosek/ Max Moritz car. A lot more of a "gentleman's racer" rather than the two out and out racers above. Still in Germany but with different owners...
Hope that clears it a little bit...
1. Porsche 928 S - most definitely a works car as posted above. Driven by Steckkonig and Clausecker - both works drivers. Held the Nurburgring VLN lap reckord that year. Pictures of the car can be seen in the Brian Long book. Same car raced at Daytona as part of the Brumos Porsche team. Still exists, whereabouts unknown
2. Porsche 928 S - built by Probst and Mentel with the support of Porsche. Something of a poor relative to the above due to lower budget at the time of built. Still exists, owned by Herr Bratke, a classic car dealer/racer in Germany and is actively raced in the 24h ADAC Classic at the Nurburgring.
3. Porsche 928 S4 - built by Wehmeir und Castrup (Porsche, Audi and VW dealers for Bielefeld), definitely a works car given the driver line up - Haam Lagay, Hans Stuck, Steckkonig - and the extensive mods to the car, which were beyond the scope of an amateur team. Finished 7th overall in the 24hrs of the Nurburgring in 1987. Still with the dealership. The best 928 Racer ever built by the factory.
4. Porsche 928 S4 - built by TTP, definitely a works car given the extend of the modifications. Was for sale for a while in Germany with a granaded engine, bought by a French lister, then Puyi posted pics of the car.
5. Porsche 928 GTS - Strosek/ Max Moritz car. A lot more of a "gentleman's racer" rather than the two out and out racers above. Still in Germany but with different owners...
Hope that clears it a little bit...
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