Sailmed

And you still have a automatic..

robot808

Landseer

Purchase price + $450 gets you the belt & WP & tensioner and puts you on the road to begin sorting it out.

$3000 or so, more, to sort it as described, assuming no bad engine or trans problems.

But, true. An automatic.

EspritS4s

Dr. Bob,
Do you really think that $5K is the number to bring a reasonably (non-enthusiast) maintained 928 to reliability? Is that using only OEM parts? This number seems high to me, but I guess that you could get there if you are buying premium brake parts and tires and replacing every maintenance item and piece of rubber on the car.

-Gary

dr bob

I looked at a 22k mile '89 GT a few years ago, and made my parts list for bringing that car up to current on all the parts listed. Shocks no, but it needed tires (due to age) and all the other rubber pieces replaced on the car. Parts prices were current at 928 Int'l at the time, from their website. My TB/WP project on my own car, including ALL the coolant hoses, genuien belt and alll the bearings and associated bits, and a rebuilt water pump, was $1200 in parts. The intake refresh is over $1500 with all the hoses and related parts, new injectors, knock/crank/hall/tps/IAC, and the powder coating. Getting the idea? Do all of the stuff at once front to rear, and it's not cheap. Good news from that kind of effort is that I would jump into the car and drive it to th eeast coast and back without a worry about anything on the car. $5k May be conservative-- it could easily be more, depending on the car you start with.

mickster

I know this is impossible to answer accurately, but based on updating all of those items, and knowing that something COULD fail right after...

...other than oil changes and typical maintenance (tires/brakes/fluids) and assume the car is regularly driven between 6,000-9,000 miles per year, when do you think the next TB/WP and a tune up would be necessary?

Thanks!

Michael

Hilton

I'm with Dr Bob on this - $5-6k was my own napkin-back estimate for any newly acquired 928.

As he says, TBWP is job is over $1k in parts alone, by the time you include new cam/oil pump/crank gears, cam and crank front seals, plus all the regular bits (and a new water pump, NOT a rebuild).

By the time you've also done the engine mounts and pan gasket (and rod bearings/nuts), intake refresh, and a tune-up including new wires, you're pushing $4k in maintenance, and that's without any PO surprises, larger consumables like tires and brake rotors, or any work on the steering, suspension, engine cooling system and AC system

I've gone through this with two 928's so far, doing all my own wrenching and buying parts from the usual 928 vendors.. and will likely do more (once my 928 job list has shrunk and I don't have a car up on stands with a large pile of pending parts). Yes, its a disease.. I work on 928's for a hobby, so I spend my hobby money on it, not investment money Works out great for anyone who may buy a 928 off me however.

The only way to dodge this bullet of impending deferred maintenance is to buy a car from a known Rennlister, who's already sunk a lot of $$$

Oh, and for anyone planning doing this sort of rejuvenation, please prioritise the safety-related stuff first Fuel lines, injector o-rings, brakes, steering, PS leaks etc. should always happen before X-pipe, suspension etc.

RngTrtl

I guess I was lucky??? I spent 2k on the car and have maybe a 1000 in it. I resealed the intakes, tc carrier bearing, fuel lines, misc odds and ends. Granted, the cam covers leak a little still, a window does not work, and the odometer let go about a month ago. 5k just seams awful high to me.

linderpat

Nice looking car. Looks like it has S4 wheels on the rears. It will also need a flexplate check.

James-man

I have a 5 speed. If my 928 was my daily driver and I had to deal with any significant city traffic with any stop and go, I would ABSOLUTELY appreciate an automatic.

The heavy clutch of the 5 speed in addition to it's tendency to be somewhat grabby and in addition to a 2.2 rear end leaving no slow speed creeping capability without overusing the clutch. I find it to be something of a bear in traffic.

If it is a weekend, highway, or fun use only car... I wouldn't really want the automatic. Automatic at the track??? Not necessarily ideal, however, what a wonderful opportunity to learn and perfect left foot braking techniques!

Don't sell automatics short except for thoughts of resale. Think about it, when looking at purchasing a 20+ year old car for a bargain price, you really can't be serious about resale value. You are buying because you want the car.

Got the money. Check.
Have extra for repairs and upkeep. Check
Look at more than just one car. Check
Love the car. Check.

Buy the car. _______

ew928

Have you adjusted the clutch pedal boost spring?
There's also the clutch pedal spacer from another thread that can bring the pedal higher up to ease clutch use.

Iwanna928

I bought a 79 w/ 117k on it and a broken odometer. I changed all of the fluids, thats it! It has a 5spd and I don't see the issue with driving it in traffic, clutch seems fine to me. The previous owner changed all of the hoses etc.

I have driven it hard for months now and she doesn't miss a beat. The more I drive her the more she likes it. I have less than 3k in it as she stands including purchase price!

I am taking it to the Atlanta area next weekend to look at some homes. Thats a 1000 plus trip and I am looking forward to the drive!

No worries!

Stephen

James-man

15 years ago, I sold a 5 speed honda accord to buy my 928. There will never be a porsche with a Honda-feel clutch. That honda could drive in traffic all day, but it never begged me to drive triple digit speeds.

James-man

Disengage clutch and my car, at idle, is going twice as fast as the cars creeping in front of me. The gearing is just not right for high traffic, stop and go, creeping, driving. Unless it is suddenly endorsed to have your foot 1/2 on the clutch for 1/2 of rush hour. I couldn't possibly be the only one that has found this to be a long term nuissance... even after having clutch work performed. Minor nuissance.

I think the differential on our two cars is different. When they started making 32 Valve cars, they went to a 2.2 which gears the car for a theoretical 200 mph. We will find I have a higher 1st gear speed at redline and as we trace back, a higher 1st gear idle speed. The other difference is double-disk versus single-disk clutch. Double disks are tricky to adjust. I have no doubts that your car would have better traffic manners than mine.

Or maybe I get confused with the gear pattern and always start the car in 2nd?

Iwanna928

I had read many post's in regards to the 5spd in a 928. Most where traffic related. It kinda scared me. I wasn't sure what to expect. I have always had a 5spd with the exception of a Lincoln Mark VIII.

I wanted a 5spd 928 so I bought one regarless of what I had read. To my surprise the car runs in traffic no different than any other muscle car I had driven. I never expected it to drive like a Honda, but was really surprised that it was a no brainer. I had a ton of stuff to do the other day and drove for 12 hrs, city, highway, city, highway etc. From 10 am to getting home at around 11pm.

Car drove great, never got hot or that worn out feeling that a car can get from doing that. Most of all I didn't feel tired. The 928 is a amazing car! I can't think of to many cars that are 31 yrs old with unknown miles to perform so well.

I am of the old hot rod school thought process that you drive it hard until it breaks, then you know what it will take. Those Germans engineered a car that can take a lot!

Stephen