jpNcos

+1

waveflux

A chick in my neighborhood just got a silver one. She had a black Cayenne, I must say, my jaw dropped when I saw her turn the corner in it today.

James Bailey

At least she down sized on that lease.

waveflux

I know. She's a J.A.P with a big stupid Labradoodle riding shotgun, drooling over everything in sight.

tveltman

I think that kit looks better than stock, though too busy

pcar928fan

Thomas,

My sentiment exactly.

Jim,

She most certainly did NOT downsize on her lease unless she was driving a TOP OF THE LINE fully optioned Cayenne Turbo or Turbo S! There has not been a single Panamera S (not even 4S or Turbo) leave my local dealer for under $102k!!!!

tveltman

Honestly, if someone gave me one of those, I would drive it like I stole it. I don't think I'd pay money for it, unless of course I had more money than I knew what to do with...

pcar928fan

Thomas, I agree with you up to an extent...IF I were looking to spend 6 figures on a 4 door car I would SERIOUSLY have to look at this car... I just can't imagine spending 6 figs on a 4 door... Give it to me and I would drive the crap out of it happily!

rse

Is there a better 4 door in the same price range?

I would have checked out what it would look like with a 928 front end and lights.
Also, have a rear end as revolutionary as the 928 design was for it's time.

It just seems to me that Porsche missed an opportunity to once again go with a design way ahead
of it's time.

Ron
'86 928 since 4 weeks ago :-)

James Bailey

Although an engineer by training Weideking was KNOWN as a marketing guy moving Porsche from a sportscar collector car builder into the throw away transportation business. These SUVs and big touring 4 door cars will end up worthless just like all the big Mercedes , Jags , BMW sedans have all become. Four door cars and station wagons rarely end up at car shows or in Collections. And James the lease was downsized in a physical sence not fiscal

F451

x 928 on that.

James Bailey

The problem is how you define " better " . And the "same price range" ?? really makes me wonder does the world NEED $100,000 4 door cars weighing over two tons given that 90 % of the time or more a single person (well maybe with a dog) is driving in town from point A to point B or with no point at all.....

davek9

IMO this kit looks “now” but a bit Nissan-ish. The one thing I do not like about the car and others that have the same styling is that “shaved off” fender treatment that is most apparent on the front fenders, somewhat on the rears. Looks like they were trying to make it fit into a box or something, it just does not have a smooth ending to it.

I certainly would not kick it out of bed

pcar928fan

Jim, TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!!! I was wondering if you were referring to a PHYSICAL downsize vs. a FISCAL downsize! You are correct on all points my friend!

dr bob

A relatively prominent 928 enthusiast once mused that the only reason that fender flairs and side treatments are added is because the factory didn't do something right in the beginning. Any aero engineer will tell you that the big bumps with holes in them, glued to the side of a vehicle, cost a lot in terms of drag and directional stability. Look at the early 911 race efforts that migrated to the street cars because they looked cool. All so the factory could continue racing a homologated production platform. Fast-forward to the modern 911 variants. The tiny cockpit of the early cars is widened out to where the bulges used to be. Same frontal area but smoother sides, much more interior room, etc. More than a few folks consider the 993 the pinnacle of the air-cooled cars, appearance-wise. Clean, cool, no-muss sides. Yet folks still yearn for the S or turbo-look variants with the blobs hung on.

Look at the euro performance sedans and see that wheel blobs are rare and if they are used, quite subtle. The 928 GTS fits in this category, with the subtle treatments that just fill out the existing lines a little. I remember following Keith W's white GTS on a road trip, lowered a little with wheels and tires that filled the fenders nicely, and commenting to Karen how perfect the look was from the back. Nothing gaudy, just subtle tasteful improvements. I suspect that the Panamera is going to follow this same path over time. Is there any extra room in the wheelhouses for wider rubber without bending the outside metal? If not, is there a way to bend the outside metal so that a larger wheel and tire in there without extending past the existing beltline dimensions? Or do I need to sacrifice some rear seat width to get bigger stuff in there by adding to the inner fender buckets? I hope the latter describes the maximum interior space utilization. After all, it is a four-door GT, and it's anticipated that there will actually be passengers in the back. Four passengers and luggage will add another 1000 lbs to the curb wieght, but it will still haul and stop just fine I'm sure.

I'd love to have a black Panamere turbo in the garage, either next to or where the 928 sits now. Progress or blasphemy? One or the other, maybe both.