Formal Intro - 84 Euro - at home in Boston w/Pics
12-11-2009, 12:23 PM
#1
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Formal Intro - 84 Euro - at home in Boston w/Pics
OK, guys and girls, here are some pics from this morning of my new 84 Euro 5-speed. The pics aren’t the best, but better ones will have to wait until warmer weather! As some may have read in other threads, I recently bought this car from the original owner in Pittsburgh and drove it home to Boston last week. It has 33,xxx original, documented miles. I have all service records from new, including the original title from the importer, and the original bill of sale.
I was attracted to this particular 928 for a number of reasons – 1 owner, low miles, unmolested all original, OB, 5-speed, extremely clean, Euro that was not mucked up during federalization (no hideous side markers, Euro H-4’s in tact, cats removed soon after federalization, although I wonder where the rear fog light went), etc. It has the M28/21 dual distributor engine and runs very well. I had the TB/WP service done before I drove it home, and I plan a few deferred maintenance things (brake/clutch fluid flush, gear oil change, rubber fuel lines, brake hoses, etc.) just for peace of mind. There are a few other things that need attention over time – rear hatch release (motor works, but doesn’t pop), rear wiper (disengages after ½ wipe), windshield washer pump seems dead, AC, occasional grinding of gears (suspect clutch adjustment or bleeding).
I couldn’t be happier! Driving it is like driving a new car. It’s a bummer that as soon as I got it home, winter has set in – I can’t wait for spring to detail it and tackle some of the little issues.
I do want to address the clutch/gear grinding issue ASAP and will have a shop look into that, which leads to this question – who in the Boston area knows these cars, especially clutch/transmission?
Also, I now need to sell my well-sorted 83 911SC Coupe – will be posting ads for that soon.
Looking forward to some Boston area GTG’s.
I was attracted to this particular 928 for a number of reasons – 1 owner, low miles, unmolested all original, OB, 5-speed, extremely clean, Euro that was not mucked up during federalization (no hideous side markers, Euro H-4’s in tact, cats removed soon after federalization, although I wonder where the rear fog light went), etc. It has the M28/21 dual distributor engine and runs very well. I had the TB/WP service done before I drove it home, and I plan a few deferred maintenance things (brake/clutch fluid flush, gear oil change, rubber fuel lines, brake hoses, etc.) just for peace of mind. There are a few other things that need attention over time – rear hatch release (motor works, but doesn’t pop), rear wiper (disengages after ½ wipe), windshield washer pump seems dead, AC, occasional grinding of gears (suspect clutch adjustment or bleeding).
I couldn’t be happier! Driving it is like driving a new car. It’s a bummer that as soon as I got it home, winter has set in – I can’t wait for spring to detail it and tackle some of the little issues.
I do want to address the clutch/gear grinding issue ASAP and will have a shop look into that, which leads to this question – who in the Boston area knows these cars, especially clutch/transmission?
Also, I now need to sell my well-sorted 83 911SC Coupe – will be posting ads for that soon.
Looking forward to some Boston area GTG’s.
12-11-2009, 01:06 PM
#3
Nordschleife Master
It is an S, not an OB, btw (they do have different front fenders as the S cars have holes CUT in them, not drilled) and of course the front and rear spoilers, but that is just quibbling over semantics.
I LOVE the car. Your rear fog light went away when they replaced the bumper cover with a US bumper cover and put the damn bumperettes on it. If you are willing to spend the big bucks I can sell and ship you a Euro rear bumper cover... at least I *think* I still have one around here with its fog light...that said, I don't recall seeing it when I was doing a bit of shed clean up the other day.
That is just the kind of euro car I would LOVE to have right there! You have a BIG WINNER!
Best,
I LOVE the car. Your rear fog light went away when they replaced the bumper cover with a US bumper cover and put the damn bumperettes on it. If you are willing to spend the big bucks I can sell and ship you a Euro rear bumper cover... at least I *think* I still have one around here with its fog light...that said, I don't recall seeing it when I was doing a bit of shed clean up the other day.
That is just the kind of euro car I would LOVE to have right there! You have a BIG WINNER!
Best,
Excellent buy.
12-11-2009, 01:30 PM
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FWIW, you really could do the clutch adjustment yourself. At the same time inspect the clutch hydraulic system.
All very doable by a novice wrench and some guidance. Just get to ge the car up on stands.... where it will be in storage anyway.
If you need a good local mech, look up David Chamberlain (Worf928 here). He's a great guy and an enthusiast.
All very doable by a novice wrench and some guidance. Just get to ge the car up on stands.... where it will be in storage anyway.
If you need a good local mech, look up David Chamberlain (Worf928 here). He's a great guy and an enthusiast.
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12-11-2009, 02:24 PM
#8
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Nice car, I hope you enjoy it.
If you want to have a rear fog light, and will order a few parts.
(you need a light housing, lense, seal , and molding, and a push button switch for rear fog, and a round small push switch for the ODO reset that goes along the bottom of the pod),
you can remove the rear bumper and cut out the opening yourself, there is a marking on the inside of the bumper cover to do this, then you would fit the rubber molding rivet it into the bumper cover then fit the light housing to the aluminum bumper.
Find the rear fog harness tied up under the bumper and connect it
You will have to keep the bumperettes as the cover has holes cut in it for them now.
You might consider ordering a new timing belt for the distributor as it is probably original and they do break.
Also if you want to you can put on a Motorsport X pipe, this will give your car more punch about 20 to 25 HP, I fitted one to my 84 and it had a noticeable kick
If you want to have a rear fog light, and will order a few parts.
(you need a light housing, lense, seal , and molding, and a push button switch for rear fog, and a round small push switch for the ODO reset that goes along the bottom of the pod),
you can remove the rear bumper and cut out the opening yourself, there is a marking on the inside of the bumper cover to do this, then you would fit the rubber molding rivet it into the bumper cover then fit the light housing to the aluminum bumper.
Find the rear fog harness tied up under the bumper and connect it
You will have to keep the bumperettes as the cover has holes cut in it for them now.
You might consider ordering a new timing belt for the distributor as it is probably original and they do break.
Also if you want to you can put on a Motorsport X pipe, this will give your car more punch about 20 to 25 HP, I fitted one to my 84 and it had a noticeable kick
12-11-2009, 02:30 PM
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Thanks!!
James - I'm still learning! I thought OB meant pre 87 - thanks for clearing that up. As for the bumper cover, I think I will stay with what I have. I am just thankful they didn't drill holes in the fenders and install Autozone side marker lights!
Jim - I don't have the federalization docs, but have the original title dated 3/16/84 from Ohio, in the name of Tom Joseph Enterprises in North Canton (importer?). Also listed on the title is: GEBR Graner Automobiles, Neue Strabe GY, which I would think is the dealer in Germany which supplied the car. The bill of sale for the purchase by the guy I bought the car from documents the VIN, states that it has DOT and EPA certification, 50 miles on the odometer, purchase price of $43,500 and paid in full on 3/28/84.
James - I'm still learning! I thought OB meant pre 87 - thanks for clearing that up. As for the bumper cover, I think I will stay with what I have. I am just thankful they didn't drill holes in the fenders and install Autozone side marker lights!
Jim - I don't have the federalization docs, but have the original title dated 3/16/84 from Ohio, in the name of Tom Joseph Enterprises in North Canton (importer?). Also listed on the title is: GEBR Graner Automobiles, Neue Strabe GY, which I would think is the dealer in Germany which supplied the car. The bill of sale for the purchase by the guy I bought the car from documents the VIN, states that it has DOT and EPA certification, 50 miles on the odometer, purchase price of $43,500 and paid in full on 3/28/84.
12-11-2009, 05:00 PM
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You have a heck of a car there!!
The 84-86 Euro Cars are fast right out of the box. Add the X as stan says and it will run strong!
In fact, probably out of all the 928s that will benefit from headers and a good exhaust, its the Euro 84-86cars. Ask Mark white about his Iris Blue 84!!
It's nice that yours only has the side markers behind the rear front wheels.
The car looks like its in REALLY good condition!!
The 84-86 Euro Cars are fast right out of the box. Add the X as stan says and it will run strong!
In fact, probably out of all the 928s that will benefit from headers and a good exhaust, its the Euro 84-86cars. Ask Mark white about his Iris Blue 84!!
It's nice that yours only has the side markers behind the rear front wheels.
The car looks like its in REALLY good condition!!
12-11-2009, 05:18 PM
#12
Drifting
Very nice.
fwiw I have bumperettes and the rear fog light on mine. But I didn't luck out with the side markers. You may want to check out the brain numbers, but if it drives strong and smooth, they are probably as they should be.
I do not know the cut-off year but you may want to check to see if you have the little engine shock absorbers, who knows on an 84 euro, 85 MY brought a lot of changes. (one of which you hopefully will never need to learn of)
The interior looks great. I would like to see some more interior pics including the buttons near the hand brake and some engine bay shots if you get the time.
I wonder if this car has ABS? I second the Worf recommendation and would say its time to get the morehouse CD, lots of useful euro info on it. I call mine an OB too.
This car can be tuned a bit by the pot on the maf and with fuel pressure. Hi-flow cats and exhaust work are good.
fwiw I have bumperettes and the rear fog light on mine. But I didn't luck out with the side markers. You may want to check out the brain numbers, but if it drives strong and smooth, they are probably as they should be.
I do not know the cut-off year but you may want to check to see if you have the little engine shock absorbers, who knows on an 84 euro, 85 MY brought a lot of changes. (one of which you hopefully will never need to learn of)
The interior looks great. I would like to see some more interior pics including the buttons near the hand brake and some engine bay shots if you get the time.
I wonder if this car has ABS? I second the Worf recommendation and would say its time to get the morehouse CD, lots of useful euro info on it. I call mine an OB too.
This car can be tuned a bit by the pot on the maf and with fuel pressure. Hi-flow cats and exhaust work are good.
12-11-2009, 05:27 PM
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That's a beauty Brian. Like you, I got my 928 late in the season (for us Northerners) so my enjoyment was pretty short too. I can't wait for spring!! 
12-11-2009, 06:19 PM
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Very very nice OB and yes OB to most means pre 87.
Should have the rear fog light unless the bumper cap was changed for some reason.
Roger
Should have the rear fog light unless the bumper cap was changed for some reason.
Roger
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Does it have the "Do It Yourself" manual transmission, or the superior "Fully Equipped by Porsche" Automatic Transmission?
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12-11-2009, 06:34 PM
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Brian,
Roger is full of crap so don't listen to him. LOL!
OB originally meant Old Bugger and referred ONLY to CIS 928's from '78 and '79, but LOGIC would dictate that the ORIGINAL 928 would be the one WITHOUT SPOILERS! Some (like Roger) might say that there is no difference between the spoilered and non spoilered cars bodys... Well, I think just about ANYONE who looks at a 928 and one has spoilers and one does not will think they are DIFFERENT! I am in that camp. Not to mention there are various holes in body panels and even different quarter windows in the S cars vs. the OB cars, oh, and engines and suspension and brakes too, but I tend to think of OB,S,S4,GTS as describing a 928's shape more than its mechanicals because that can REALLY muddy the waters...
So, if you want to be historically correct OB ONLY applies to 78/79 cars, if you want to be logical then OB is a non-spoilered 928 and an S has spoilers and guess what an S4 has more aero front and back bumper covers (but it does have the same rear and front q panels [for the most part...come on Roger they are not that much different from the S cars or the OB cars....so why not just call them ALL OB's], doors, sunroof, rear hatch) and the GTS has everything the same as an S4 except the door mounted rear view mirrors and the flared rear Q panels...so, maybe a GTS is an OB too...yea, that's asinine!
In case you missed it this is a pet peeve of mine that really SETS ME OFF! If you look at a body shape and it is different from another car it needs another descriptor... OB (no spoilers), S (spoilers), S4 (aero front and rear plus a nice stand off aero wing), GTS (flared rear fenders and aero door mirrors)... UGH! Just shoot me now....
Roger is full of crap so don't listen to him. LOL!
OB originally meant Old Bugger and referred ONLY to CIS 928's from '78 and '79, but LOGIC would dictate that the ORIGINAL 928 would be the one WITHOUT SPOILERS! Some (like Roger) might say that there is no difference between the spoilered and non spoilered cars bodys... Well, I think just about ANYONE who looks at a 928 and one has spoilers and one does not will think they are DIFFERENT! I am in that camp. Not to mention there are various holes in body panels and even different quarter windows in the S cars vs. the OB cars, oh, and engines and suspension and brakes too, but I tend to think of OB,S,S4,GTS as describing a 928's shape more than its mechanicals because that can REALLY muddy the waters...
So, if you want to be historically correct OB ONLY applies to 78/79 cars, if you want to be logical then OB is a non-spoilered 928 and an S has spoilers and guess what an S4 has more aero front and back bumper covers (but it does have the same rear and front q panels [for the most part...come on Roger they are not that much different from the S cars or the OB cars....so why not just call them ALL OB's], doors, sunroof, rear hatch) and the GTS has everything the same as an S4 except the door mounted rear view mirrors and the flared rear Q panels...so, maybe a GTS is an OB too...yea, that's asinine!
In case you missed it this is a pet peeve of mine that really SETS ME OFF! If you look at a body shape and it is different from another car it needs another descriptor... OB (no spoilers), S (spoilers), S4 (aero front and rear plus a nice stand off aero wing), GTS (flared rear fenders and aero door mirrors)... UGH! Just shoot me now....