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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 10:32 AM
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Yes John, from a turbo Saab. I believe it's a 3 bar sensor, but I might be wrong on that.
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 12:34 PM
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Yes John, from a turbo Saab. I believe it's a 3 bar sensor, but I might be wrong on that.
I have been logging boost on the ST2 with this MAP sensor:

http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/pro...-OP&CMP=AFC-OP

It's the one used in Megasquirt applications. I got one of those 12V - 5V USB charger receptacles that plug in to a car's 12V socket and just soldered the sensor in there. Then just connect +12 and ground to it, give it a vacuum line and connect the output to an ST2 aux line and you have a boost display in ST2. I like the above sensor because it's cheap and it has a very linear output that is well published:

http://www.freescale.com/files/senso...t/MPX4250A.pdf

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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 01:58 PM
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Using that sensor as well :-)
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 02:03 PM
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I'm working on this right now. Hacker got me an old MAP sensor out of a SAAB that he got for like $5 from a Pick 'n Pull. Then I have a a voltage regulator from RadioShack that regulates it to 5v output. In theory, I should be able to hook this up to the STer and have it record boost along with my other data. Now if only I could get my TT repaired...
DUDE..im way ahead of you. did that a few years ago! When i go down stairs i can pull it out of my parcel tray and give you the part number. It was some GM item i think. I even have the voltage table. Being the way i am, I hooked up a regulated air soruce and a volt meter and check the volts vs PSI display and X-checked it with my "analog" autometer gauge and set up my own lookup table. You can hook up a vac guage also and and get a vacuum reading.

Sorry to hear about the TT..i HATE that job. HEAVY...awkward..etc. At least it happend going INTO winter!
I just hauled my old core from 3 years ago back to Sharktoberfest. I dunno what the statue of limitations is on a core charge!
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by AO
Yes John, from a turbo Saab. I believe it's a 3 bar sensor, but I might be wrong on that.
It's a 2.5 bar
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Old Oct 24, 2011 | 06:17 PM
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Still have a few odd areas to get to but Ive got the "really illegal..do you know how fast you were going....your going to jail " part of the map covered.

Car is really running nicer now.

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Old Oct 24, 2011 | 06:49 PM
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Looks good, Tony !
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Old Oct 24, 2011 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony
Still have a few odd areas to get to but Ive got the "really illegal..do you know how fast you were going....your going to jail " part of the map covered.

Car is really running nicer now.

Sweet!! Looks great, Tony-- Thanks for posting that!
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 01:01 PM
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Tony, Thanks for posting your "map".
It brings up a question. Obviously, your car is running GREAT with the WOT area tuned to approximately 12-12.5. When I started tuning mine the consesus for optimum performance was 12.9 to 13.1 Do you find a significant advantage with the richer mixture? What are you other supercharged people tuning to?
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 03:32 PM
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My WOT tuning target is 12.7:1 - 13:1 under 2,500RPM and ~12.5:1 over 2,500RPM.

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Old Jan 15, 2013 | 10:16 AM
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I'm liking sharkplotter a lot. Nice straightforward approach to seeing logged data and changing the maps.

Now the questions for those with experience

Firstly, If I have a project open - once I save the adjusted map back to the LH using ST2, should I open a new Sharkplotter project with a new base reference map?

Its what I'm doing currently - but I noticed that the adjusted map is also saved, so wondered whether I can just add more data runs to the initial project and carry on adjusting to my hearts content? Otherwise it gets a little messy in the project folders, as its handy to test the changes. If I have to copy the contents of the adjusted map file into the base map file thats fine - I'd just like to know what the recommended practice is

Secondly - how does the "Smooth" function work in the tool for Adjusting Fuel Map? The only reference I can find in the manual to smoothing relates to the options screen. I'd like to know what the horizontal and vertical sliders for the smoothing do

I've got my non-cat map fixed up a bit in the range for tomorrows emissions test - I ran out of room on the adjustment initially (lots of -127's on the adjusted map) but pulling back the opening time has fixed that (I'm running 4-hole Bosch design III 19lb injectors - which flow 2% more than stock even before taking into account a faster opening time).

I forsee a lot more data logging in my near future

edit: oh.. thirdly. Does sharkplotter install on 64-bit windows? I tried to get it onto my desktop so I can look through log files in comfort witha huge screen, but it doesn't appear to run. Am I missing some dotnet libraries or something?
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Old Jan 15, 2013 | 11:30 AM
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Hi Hilton,
Jim is the expert, but I would advise you don't start a new project, but just a new run, then copy the new map to that folder renamed "base map". With that name the SP should pick it up automatically.

I believe JIm can advise on your further two points.


Originally Posted by Hilton
I'm liking sharkplotter a lot. Nice straightforward approach to seeing logged data and changing the maps.

Now the questions for those with experience

Firstly, If I have a project open - once I save the adjusted map back to the LH using ST2, should I open a new Sharkplotter project with a new base reference map?

Its what I'm doing currently - but I noticed that the adjusted map is also saved, so wondered whether I can just add more data runs to the initial project and carry on adjusting to my hearts content? Otherwise it gets a little messy in the project folders, as its handy to test the changes. If I have to copy the contents of the adjusted map file into the base map file thats fine - I'd just like to know what the recommended practice is

Secondly - how does the "Smooth" function work in the tool for Adjusting Fuel Map? The only reference I can find in the manual to smoothing relates to the options screen. I'd like to know what the horizontal and vertical sliders for the smoothing do

I've got my non-cat map fixed up a bit in the range for tomorrows emissions test - I ran out of room on the adjustment initially (lots of -127's on the adjusted map) but pulling back the opening time has fixed that (I'm running 4-hole Bosch design III 19lb injectors - which flow 2% more than stock even before taking into account a faster opening time).

I forsee a lot more data logging in my near future

edit: oh.. thirdly. Does sharkplotter install on 64-bit windows? I tried to get it onto my desktop so I can look through log files in comfort witha huge screen, but it doesn't appear to run. Am I missing some dotnet libraries or something?
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Old Jan 15, 2013 | 12:03 PM
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Hilton,

Glad to hear that Sharkplotter is working well for you. As John mentioned, the simplest approach is to use the same "project" folder and create a new "session" folder under that for each new set of maps and run-files. SP doesn't inherently know which run files go with which maps, so some level of organization is needed.

That said, there are lots of different ways to organize data-- some folks organize everything into folders by date, others have one folder for maps and another for run-files with descriptive file names, etc.

So there are two ways to load data and maps into SP: Either as individual run and map files through the "File" menu, or using the "project manager" window. The project manager is convenient if you follow SP's folder convention: a "project folder" for a particular car, and below that a series of "session" folders with maps and runs for a particular tuning session. If your data is organized differently then it is simpler to open the files individually.

The "smooth" function in the map-adjustment window is a relatively simple algorithm to reduce the cell-to-cell variation, by combining adjacent values with a weighted average. The slider controls the "span", how far the averaging reaches out to adjoining cells, vertically and horizontally. A typical span might be 1.6 horizontally, the fractional-cell seems silly but what it is controlling is what fraction of the adjacent cell is used.

The adjusting and smoothing algorithms are something I am working on now, along with a 3d map representation to help visualize the shape of the maps. I'll have a beta out shortly, watch this space.

And yes, SP works fine with Win-7/64 but I don't think the installer is getting it into the correct folder. It needs to be in the same folder as Sharktuner, "Program Files" for 32-bit and "Program Files (x86)" for 64-bit versions of Windows. Just copy the files to the Sharktuner folder.

Cheers, Jim
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Old Jan 15, 2013 | 05:20 PM
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Excellent, thanks for that.


Originally Posted by jcorenman
And yes, SP works fine with Win-7/64 but I don't think the installer is getting it into the correct folder. It needs to be in the same folder as Sharktuner, "Program Files" for 32-bit and "Program Files (x86)" for 64-bit versions of Windows. Just copy the files to the Sharktuner folder.
Ah yes, I forgot that I needed the ST files too. Just fixed it and now have SP open on my desktop.
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 11:59 AM
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Finally geting to use SharkPlotter for first time. Same as Ben (FUSE69), I'm also geting division by zero errors on Windows 7 Lite. Though I think Plotter version is older than 1.0.018 if it makes any difference. Was there ever any solution for this error or do I just find different laptop to run it?
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