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Old 10-29-2009, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by cobalt
Once the 993 was released and their build approach changed then the boxster/996 it has all been a series of mixed use parts.
Originally Posted by Marine Blue
Looking at all of the pictures above I realize something. The 928 Design was way advanced and completely unique. Nothing in the era it was produced came close to its appearance. Today's cars all follow very similar styling trends and very very few cars break this mold. In fact Lamborghini is probably the only one that immediately comes to mind as different. Unfortunate that a design team can't come up with something really different and beautiful.
Two good points. Uniqueness & exclusivity. The 928 is really its own car.
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Originally Posted by Chuck Z
If there is a 928 sucessor in the works and it looks like this, I'm in!
Count me in too. You know when Chevy or Ford is releasing a new car they often send one n/c to tuners so they can get a jump on things. What do you think the chances are of Porsche sending me one?
I probably have better chances with a lotto ticket.
Old 10-29-2009, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928
I agree with your conclusion. But, not your logic.



Since the mid-2000s European regulations have demanded increased protection for pedestrians that are hit by cars. ALL European cars released since those regulations went into effect that also have front engines have a huge, high snout to provide crumple space for pedestrians. Take a look at all the Mercs, BWMs, Audis, that have front engines. The only cars that have low noses from Europe have mid or rear engines. The possible exceptions are cars with long hoods with the front engine mounted far behind the front wheels in the "mid-front" layout.

The stunning red car above and the silver car (Chuck, I'd be next in line for that one) could possibly have enough "front" space with the engine mounted far in the back to provide the legally-mandated mattress for pedestrians.

Other than that, I'd bet that the real engineers that remain at Porsche could figure out a way to make the Cayenne motor a bit more svelt.
The problem is the angle of the V and the length of the stroke. Not sure how off 45 degrees the angle of the 928 V is but the cayenne motor would need to be redesigned completely to lower the hood line. Looking under the hood you can tell there is no room to drop the engine any lower. the intake is nearly flush with the valve covers to begin with. As it is they brought the drive shaft through the motor incredibly close to the crank just to get the hood line down to where it is and still work with the suspension.
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Originally Posted by cobalt
... but the cayenne motor would need to be redesigned completely to lower the hood line. Looking under the hood ...
Ok then. We're both right

The next question would be: did they doing anything to the motor heft-wise to get it into the Panamera?
Old 10-29-2009, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928
Ok then. We're both right

The next question would be: did they doing anything to the motor heft-wise to get it into the Panamera?
I'm pretty sure the V10 would fit nicely

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Old 10-29-2009, 01:02 PM
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I like the design but to me the only thing that says "Porsche" is the nose. The design needs to be cleaned and rounded quite a bit. Start with getting rid of the side vents and the sharp edges at the tail.
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Originally Posted by worf928
Ok then. We're both right

The next question would be: did they doing anything to the motor heft-wise to get it into the Panamera?
Actually quite a bit was done but I don't recall the details.
Old 10-29-2009, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dprantl
I'm pretty sure the V10 would fit nicely
Hmmm... so we put a low-volume motor from a $400k car in a "new" 928. Well, I guess that's one way to make sure parts are expensive.
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Originally Posted by worf928
Hmmm... so we put a low-volume motor from a $400k car in a "new" 928. Well, I guess that's one way to make sure parts are expensive.
Well... if you put it into the new 928, it will stop being so low volume, hence the price shouldn't be so high anymore. At least, I hope the sales volumes will be high. In terms of engineering, from reviewing the PET diagrams I don't see anything overly special about the V10 engine (compared to other engines in this market segment) that would warrant any special production costs/difficulties.

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Old 10-29-2009, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dprantl
... I don't see anything overly special about the <insert just about any 928 part> that would warrant any special production costs/difficulties.
Fixed it for ya.
Old 10-29-2009, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bronto
I like the design but to me the only thing that says "Porsche" is the nose. The design needs to be cleaned and rounded quite a bit. Start with getting rid of the side vents and the sharp edges at the tail.
I think Porsche needs to refine the nose of its current designs except for perhaps the 997? Personally, if Porsche does actually build another front engined sportscar I hope they deviate dramatically from the Panamera and most of their recent design cues. I've seen the Panamera in person and unless it grows on me I'm not feelin it! Further, why does every model have to look the same? Give it some individual style like back in the day.......
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I think the red car in Ryan's post is just about the most perfect blend of past/present, Porsche/Jaguar (ok, flame suit on) I could imagine. The entire front end from the firewall forward has - to me - a real Porsche feeling, while that curvy beltline is just amazing. Very E-type (which is about, in its earliest incarnations, one of the most beautiful cars ever built). I'm no doubt showing my age, so that will be a demographic of little appeal to Porsche's marketers, but damn, what a concept. End o' rant.

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Originally Posted by Chuck Z
I think Porsche needs to refine the nose of its current designs except for perhaps the 997? Personally, if Porsche does actually build another front engined sportscar I hope they deviate dramatically from the Panamera and most of their recent design cues. I've seen the Panamera in person and unless it grows on me I'm not feelin it! Further, why does every model have to look the same? Give it some individual style like back in the day.......
Just because it says "Porsche" doesn't mean I like it, or that it couldn't use a redesign. And new designs are good. But from a branding point of view, it needs to say "Porsche". If you look at all the years of Porsche design you will see some common traits: round, sleek. Except for the 914 and 924, and as it turns out those weren't really designs meant to be sold as Porsches. Even the 928 has a lot of "round" to it, and it is very sleek.

As I said, I like the design a lot, but it doesn't say "Porsche". Way too many sharp edges. And the superfluous trim reduces the "sleek" in the overall design.

On another note, the Panamera is both round and sleek, just not very good looking
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Originally Posted by Tom in Austin
Curious blend of MB, A-M, Ferrari and Jaguar styling cues ... seems not to have the organic purity of a traditional Porsche design ...
very true...the proportions/ lines of the car are great. They need to ditch the "egg crate Ferrarish grille" and the sleek "Astonish" tailights and go with the classic "gaping black holes" in the front and the classic Porsche rear taillights.
The 928 was a very smooth design. Not many right angles or sharp lines. No vents in the front fenders. (gaawd i hate that on todays cars)

I like it though...nicest look so far.
i ran it through PS for a look Id prefer...subtle but, front facia not as busy, shorter tail lights...longer rear quarter glass...no lines on the side of the car or vents behind the front arches.
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Originally Posted by bronto
Just because it says "Porsche" doesn't mean I like it, or that it couldn't use a redesign. And new designs are good. But from a branding point of view, it needs to say "Porsche". If you look at all the years of Porsche design you will see some common traits: round, sleek. Except for the 914 and 924, and as it turns out those weren't really designs meant to be sold as Porsches. Even the 928 has a lot of "round" to it, and it is very sleek.

As I said, I like the design a lot, but it doesn't say "Porsche". Way too many sharp edges. And the superfluous trim reduces the "sleek" in the overall design.

On another note, the Panamera is both round and sleek, just not very good looking
I agree with you except for one point; I hope they don't make it look like the current desgins b/c like you I'm not diggin the Panamera, the Boxster and even though I've had a couple Cayenne's I'm not wild about the front end styling (mainly the headlight design is what I don't like about any of the modern Porsches including the 997- they are too large on the 997 and just plain fugly on the rest!). If they could somehow design it to look like an advancement of GTS I'd be all about that one....


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