Collector or Enthusiast - what are you?
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I'm definitely an enthusiast first, but if/when I have the means, I'd like to do some collecting as well. I appreciate the driving experience from the glorious sound it makes to the way it takes corners faster than you think is possible, yet I also appreciate the timeless design to the point that I never get tired of just staring at it motionless in the garage. No other car has ever punched my button like the 928.
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I'm definitely an enthusiast first, but if/when I have the means, I'd like to do some collecting as well. I appreciate the driving experience from the glorious sound it makes to the way it takes corners faster than you think is possible, yet I also appreciate the timeless design to the point that I never get tired of just staring at it motionless in the garage. No other car has ever punched my button like the 928.
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+928 - nice post.
I just bought my second one - but I bought it so I can keep driving a 928 while I take my other one apart more (transaxle work), so technically I don't really have more than one yet.
I guess for me, I'll consider myself a collector when I have 3 928's
I just bought my second one - but I bought it so I can keep driving a 928 while I take my other one apart more (transaxle work), so technically I don't really have more than one yet.
I guess for me, I'll consider myself a collector when I have 3 928's
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Great post! I'm an enthusiest, or to quote the article below a waterboy enthusiest. I've also been refered to as a gearhead. Whatever I think I drive my car as it was intended by the designers and engineers that built it. I found this post quite a few years ago which describes various Porsche owners. I think it's worth re-posting here.
Porsche People: by Hans Deutschmann, Club Analyst, Kansas Cily Region Reprinted From Der Sportwagen
A tongue-in-cheek look at our fellow Porsche Pushers. One of the best things about being an active member of a local chapter of the PCA is that you get to meet a lot of interesting people. And, contrary to the popular stereotype of Porsche owners as unemployed rich people, we are a diverse lot. We have members who are mechanics, accountants, tradesmen, lawyers, florists, doctors, students, retirees, and housewives. We have teenage members, young adult members, middle-age members and members in their 80's. We have Buddhists, Christians, Jews, and Agnostics. Just about any way you choose to slice it, the membership is diverse. However, this doesn't mean that people who own Porsches can't be categorized in other ways. I find that I can pigeonhole individuals based on some other measures. It's fun to do this, since it strips each person of his individuality and allows me to simplify my world. Basically, I classify owners based on how they use their cars and to a lesser extent on what kind of Porsche they drive (or want to drive). Herewith, my list, in no particular order, with emphasis on my personal biases and stereotypes.
WORRIER: This is the Porsche owner (usually a new owner) who frets constantly about every detail regarding his baby. Most of us are WORRIERS to some degree when we get our first Porsche. WORRIERS will approach everyone in the Club about which weight and brand of oil they should use in their car. They'll get on the Internet and research endlessly trying to find the best leather conditioner, aromatherapy wax, herbal car wash, tire pressure gauge, etc. They'll change their oil every 500 miles and replace the air in their tires because it might be stale. They'll shortshift their car at 2,500 rpm just to make sure it doesn't get over-revved (even though the previous owner may have regularly banged it up against redline). The WORRIER won't corner his car hard because that would place undue strain on the delicate chassis. These guys are usually cured when they discover that their **** behavior has actually done more damage than good to their car. "Well, sir, your car runs like crap because the valves and combustion chambers are totally carboned up, you should run this thing hard through the gears every once in awhile to clean it out. Or: "I'm sorry sir, but your paint was damaged by leaving the bra on your car while it was raining. "If the WORRIER isn't cured quickly he may evolve into the undesirable "QUEEN".
TECHNO: Everyone knows who the TECHNO is. He's the guy who can quote by memory the entire text of Karl Ludvigsen's massive Porsche -Excellence Was Expected. TECHNOS are useful as Club pets because at many events you don't have Internet access to the Library of Congress. They can answer most of your Porsche related questions right off the top of their head. If you want to have some fun, ask a TECHNO a question that he can't answer. He'll be up for three days straight trying to figure it out so he can preserve his honor. They can drive any kind of Porsche, it doesn't really matter, they see themselves more as experts on Porsche lore rather than active participants in the Porsche driving experience.
STATUS CONSCIOUS: Peter Schutz, former president of Porsche, once said; "For some people, a Porsche is nothing more than a fur coat, it's something you wear, not something you drive.” Peter was describing the STATUS owner. It is extremely unlikely that you will ever meet one of these owners at a Club event. Why? Because they don't know that the Club exists, and they wouldn't join it if they did. These are the people that create the unfavorable Porsche-owner stereotype. They overdress, wear too much gold, park in handicapped zones, have bad traffic manners, and look down their noses at everyone. If you happen to meet one of them in say, a parking lot, and you are not driving your Porsche, the conversation could go something like this: You: "Nice 993, how do you like it?" STATUS owner: "Actually it's not a 93, it's a 97 Porshe Carrera. I like it okay, but you have to shift it a lot and my wife's Lexus rides much better. I might trade it for a Boxer, they ride smoother and you can get an automatic in them. I know a guy at the dealership." This guy knows absolutely nothing about Porsches except what they cost. The Porsche Gods created STATUS owners so the rest of us could get good used cars. When the status effect of the car wears off and they discover that Porsches "ride like sports cars," STATUS owners sell them and move on to Lincoln SUV'S, or stretch Hummers. Meanwhile, we all suffer.
GARAGE QUEEN: These are the guys that will only drive their Porsches if they are going to a concours, and only if they absolutely have to. Even if a concours requires that a car be driven rather than trailered, a QUEEN will try to figure how he can trailer it surreptitiously within a few blocks of the show, then push it to the event (so he doesn't stir up any dirt in the engine compartment). If you are unlucky enough to have a car that he perceives as competition, be forewarned. The QUEEN will carefully scrutinize your car while wearing a facial expression like he is examining excrement. The QUEEN often has very good knowledge of the historical details of his car because that knowledge relates directly to how the car can be scored in a concourse. This knowledge also allows him to lose first place with dignity: "I guess John deserved to win first place, although I am surprised that the judges ignored the fact that he didn't have original tread-pattern Continentals on his car." QUEENS wouldn't think of driving their cars "hard" because they didn't buy them to drive, they bought them to collect trophies. The best thing about QUEENS is that you probably won't see them at any events other than concours or shows unless they also own a "driver" Porsche (see "Cautions and Warnings"). The only exception to all of this drivel is the QUEEN that owns and shows a truly classic Porsche (904 , 959, Speedster, etc). Usually you will find that this type of QUEEN will actually drive his car (even the Porsche factory pulls out the 917's once in awhile so they can flog them on a race track).
GEARHEAD: These are basically hot rodders who have chosen Porsches instead of Hemi-Cudas. The car sitting at the top of the GEARHEAD pyramid is the air-cooled Turbo. Most serious GEARHEAD cars are faster than their track-car counterparts. These cars are so highly modified that they even scare their owners. As a matter of fact, this is the ultimate goal. GEARHEADS won't stop tweaking until their cars have taken on a "You'd better watch your *** with me" attitude. When you get close to a serious GEARHEAD car you can feel the little hairs on your body stand on end, kind of like you were part of a static electricity exhibit at Science City. If you talk to one of these guys, they invariably have a tremendous amount of respect for their cars (the ones that don't are dead). GEARHEADS like to talk about the time their cars jumped up in the air and changed lanes when they grabbed fourth gear at 120 miles per hour. The cars are immaculate, except for little smears on the paint caused by hitting bugs at 150 miles per hour (on the way to the Club breakfast). GEARHEADS usually don't show up for many of the Club events because they are too busy doing things like having their pistons ceramic-coated or installing 962 water-cooled heads and 917 rotor/caliper assemblies on their cars. When they aren't tweaking their cars they relax by looking for roads in neighboring counties or states where they can "run her up to 180" without worrying about cops or other drivers. I like these guys, but I don't really want to ride with them.
WATERBOYS: These are water-cooled Porsche owners. Although this category obviously includes 928's, 924's, Boxsters, and the new 911's, I'm thinking particularly of 944's, and 968's. They are usually a friendly lot, even though they know that the purists are always thinking, "real Porsches aren't water-cooled." WATERBOYS are well tolerated these days because the turbo versions of these cars are so fast and viceless on the track. If you are an air-cooled owner and you persist in tormenting a WATERBOY, he's likely to get fed up and challenge you to a lap or two of the closest road course. Personally, I like WATERBOYS, because they really seem to enjoy their cars and they drive them "as they were intended." Besides, the new water-cooled Porsches are the best Porsches yet in terms of performance, and like it or not, they represent the future of the marquee.
PURIST: This is the guy that would make Dr. Porsche proud. He is what I aspire to be when I grow up. He owns any model of Porsche. First and foremost, the PURIST knows that Porsches are made to be driven. His car is clean and well maintained and may have been mildly modified with upgrades such as tires, wheels, a raspy exhaust system, etc. He's owned this car for awhile and he drives it regularly. His car will inevitably show the wear and tear of being a daily driver. It means that this car will probably never win a concourse, but, over the years, his car will begin to acquire a well-worn patina, similar to the kind that you would find on that jack knife that your grandfather carried around in his pocket for 40 years. Unless you, too, are a PURIST, he is having more fun with his Porsche than you are, no matter what you are doing with yours.
OLD GUARD: This member was probably a founding father of your local region of the Porsche Club. He’s seen it all. He remembers when Porsche drivers not only waved when they passed each other on the road; they actually pulled over to talk. He's owned several types of Porsches over the years and he's driven across the country in at least one of them. He has been to Parade, countless tours, driving events, open houses, and banquets. He is, by definition, mature. Because of his relatively vast experience with the marquee, he is the best member to travel with if you have an iffy car that might require technical expertise during the trip. You just have to be able to put up with his "Porschier than Thou" attitude. He has, at one time or another, been a TECHNO, WATERBOY, and probably more. He is currently a PURIST. He probably drives an air-cooled 911. Porsches are a part of his life and always will be. He tells great stories because he realizes that one of the best things that Porsches do is create fond memories.
CAUTIONS AND WARNINGS: Some owners can be classified into more than one category. This helps fine-tune the description of an individual when someone else in the Club wants to know more specifically what kind of a nut another guy is. For example, as we've already seen, OLD GUARD members, because of their experience, are particularly good at falling into many categories (and they will use this to their advantage). Since an OLD GUARD member has usually owned several types of Porsches, he has at least partial membership in many of the other groups such as the TECHNO, WATERBOY, etc. It almost always guarantees that he is a member of the TECHNOS However, the Official Rules dictate that any individual who falls into two or more categories will be classified officially as the lowest life form. Therefore, if a PURIST owns several cars, one of which he seldom drives for fear of getting dust on it, then he is officially classified as a QUEEN. (It's my game; I make the rules!)
THE OTHER GUYS: You ask, "What about the 356ers, 912ers, 914 and 914-6 owners?" Well, most of them will fall into one or more of the above descriptions, even though they weren't specifically mentioned. Besides, many of these groups have their own perverse sub-cultures including organizations, memberships, and DUES. And that's another discussion.
A tongue-in-cheek look at our fellow Porsche Pushers. One of the best things about being an active member of a local chapter of the PCA is that you get to meet a lot of interesting people. And, contrary to the popular stereotype of Porsche owners as unemployed rich people, we are a diverse lot. We have members who are mechanics, accountants, tradesmen, lawyers, florists, doctors, students, retirees, and housewives. We have teenage members, young adult members, middle-age members and members in their 80's. We have Buddhists, Christians, Jews, and Agnostics. Just about any way you choose to slice it, the membership is diverse. However, this doesn't mean that people who own Porsches can't be categorized in other ways. I find that I can pigeonhole individuals based on some other measures. It's fun to do this, since it strips each person of his individuality and allows me to simplify my world. Basically, I classify owners based on how they use their cars and to a lesser extent on what kind of Porsche they drive (or want to drive). Herewith, my list, in no particular order, with emphasis on my personal biases and stereotypes.
WORRIER: This is the Porsche owner (usually a new owner) who frets constantly about every detail regarding his baby. Most of us are WORRIERS to some degree when we get our first Porsche. WORRIERS will approach everyone in the Club about which weight and brand of oil they should use in their car. They'll get on the Internet and research endlessly trying to find the best leather conditioner, aromatherapy wax, herbal car wash, tire pressure gauge, etc. They'll change their oil every 500 miles and replace the air in their tires because it might be stale. They'll shortshift their car at 2,500 rpm just to make sure it doesn't get over-revved (even though the previous owner may have regularly banged it up against redline). The WORRIER won't corner his car hard because that would place undue strain on the delicate chassis. These guys are usually cured when they discover that their **** behavior has actually done more damage than good to their car. "Well, sir, your car runs like crap because the valves and combustion chambers are totally carboned up, you should run this thing hard through the gears every once in awhile to clean it out. Or: "I'm sorry sir, but your paint was damaged by leaving the bra on your car while it was raining. "If the WORRIER isn't cured quickly he may evolve into the undesirable "QUEEN".
TECHNO: Everyone knows who the TECHNO is. He's the guy who can quote by memory the entire text of Karl Ludvigsen's massive Porsche -Excellence Was Expected. TECHNOS are useful as Club pets because at many events you don't have Internet access to the Library of Congress. They can answer most of your Porsche related questions right off the top of their head. If you want to have some fun, ask a TECHNO a question that he can't answer. He'll be up for three days straight trying to figure it out so he can preserve his honor. They can drive any kind of Porsche, it doesn't really matter, they see themselves more as experts on Porsche lore rather than active participants in the Porsche driving experience.
STATUS CONSCIOUS: Peter Schutz, former president of Porsche, once said; "For some people, a Porsche is nothing more than a fur coat, it's something you wear, not something you drive.” Peter was describing the STATUS owner. It is extremely unlikely that you will ever meet one of these owners at a Club event. Why? Because they don't know that the Club exists, and they wouldn't join it if they did. These are the people that create the unfavorable Porsche-owner stereotype. They overdress, wear too much gold, park in handicapped zones, have bad traffic manners, and look down their noses at everyone. If you happen to meet one of them in say, a parking lot, and you are not driving your Porsche, the conversation could go something like this: You: "Nice 993, how do you like it?" STATUS owner: "Actually it's not a 93, it's a 97 Porshe Carrera. I like it okay, but you have to shift it a lot and my wife's Lexus rides much better. I might trade it for a Boxer, they ride smoother and you can get an automatic in them. I know a guy at the dealership." This guy knows absolutely nothing about Porsches except what they cost. The Porsche Gods created STATUS owners so the rest of us could get good used cars. When the status effect of the car wears off and they discover that Porsches "ride like sports cars," STATUS owners sell them and move on to Lincoln SUV'S, or stretch Hummers. Meanwhile, we all suffer.
GARAGE QUEEN: These are the guys that will only drive their Porsches if they are going to a concours, and only if they absolutely have to. Even if a concours requires that a car be driven rather than trailered, a QUEEN will try to figure how he can trailer it surreptitiously within a few blocks of the show, then push it to the event (so he doesn't stir up any dirt in the engine compartment). If you are unlucky enough to have a car that he perceives as competition, be forewarned. The QUEEN will carefully scrutinize your car while wearing a facial expression like he is examining excrement. The QUEEN often has very good knowledge of the historical details of his car because that knowledge relates directly to how the car can be scored in a concourse. This knowledge also allows him to lose first place with dignity: "I guess John deserved to win first place, although I am surprised that the judges ignored the fact that he didn't have original tread-pattern Continentals on his car." QUEENS wouldn't think of driving their cars "hard" because they didn't buy them to drive, they bought them to collect trophies. The best thing about QUEENS is that you probably won't see them at any events other than concours or shows unless they also own a "driver" Porsche (see "Cautions and Warnings"). The only exception to all of this drivel is the QUEEN that owns and shows a truly classic Porsche (904 , 959, Speedster, etc). Usually you will find that this type of QUEEN will actually drive his car (even the Porsche factory pulls out the 917's once in awhile so they can flog them on a race track).
GEARHEAD: These are basically hot rodders who have chosen Porsches instead of Hemi-Cudas. The car sitting at the top of the GEARHEAD pyramid is the air-cooled Turbo. Most serious GEARHEAD cars are faster than their track-car counterparts. These cars are so highly modified that they even scare their owners. As a matter of fact, this is the ultimate goal. GEARHEADS won't stop tweaking until their cars have taken on a "You'd better watch your *** with me" attitude. When you get close to a serious GEARHEAD car you can feel the little hairs on your body stand on end, kind of like you were part of a static electricity exhibit at Science City. If you talk to one of these guys, they invariably have a tremendous amount of respect for their cars (the ones that don't are dead). GEARHEADS like to talk about the time their cars jumped up in the air and changed lanes when they grabbed fourth gear at 120 miles per hour. The cars are immaculate, except for little smears on the paint caused by hitting bugs at 150 miles per hour (on the way to the Club breakfast). GEARHEADS usually don't show up for many of the Club events because they are too busy doing things like having their pistons ceramic-coated or installing 962 water-cooled heads and 917 rotor/caliper assemblies on their cars. When they aren't tweaking their cars they relax by looking for roads in neighboring counties or states where they can "run her up to 180" without worrying about cops or other drivers. I like these guys, but I don't really want to ride with them.
WATERBOYS: These are water-cooled Porsche owners. Although this category obviously includes 928's, 924's, Boxsters, and the new 911's, I'm thinking particularly of 944's, and 968's. They are usually a friendly lot, even though they know that the purists are always thinking, "real Porsches aren't water-cooled." WATERBOYS are well tolerated these days because the turbo versions of these cars are so fast and viceless on the track. If you are an air-cooled owner and you persist in tormenting a WATERBOY, he's likely to get fed up and challenge you to a lap or two of the closest road course. Personally, I like WATERBOYS, because they really seem to enjoy their cars and they drive them "as they were intended." Besides, the new water-cooled Porsches are the best Porsches yet in terms of performance, and like it or not, they represent the future of the marquee.
PURIST: This is the guy that would make Dr. Porsche proud. He is what I aspire to be when I grow up. He owns any model of Porsche. First and foremost, the PURIST knows that Porsches are made to be driven. His car is clean and well maintained and may have been mildly modified with upgrades such as tires, wheels, a raspy exhaust system, etc. He's owned this car for awhile and he drives it regularly. His car will inevitably show the wear and tear of being a daily driver. It means that this car will probably never win a concourse, but, over the years, his car will begin to acquire a well-worn patina, similar to the kind that you would find on that jack knife that your grandfather carried around in his pocket for 40 years. Unless you, too, are a PURIST, he is having more fun with his Porsche than you are, no matter what you are doing with yours.
OLD GUARD: This member was probably a founding father of your local region of the Porsche Club. He’s seen it all. He remembers when Porsche drivers not only waved when they passed each other on the road; they actually pulled over to talk. He's owned several types of Porsches over the years and he's driven across the country in at least one of them. He has been to Parade, countless tours, driving events, open houses, and banquets. He is, by definition, mature. Because of his relatively vast experience with the marquee, he is the best member to travel with if you have an iffy car that might require technical expertise during the trip. You just have to be able to put up with his "Porschier than Thou" attitude. He has, at one time or another, been a TECHNO, WATERBOY, and probably more. He is currently a PURIST. He probably drives an air-cooled 911. Porsches are a part of his life and always will be. He tells great stories because he realizes that one of the best things that Porsches do is create fond memories.
CAUTIONS AND WARNINGS: Some owners can be classified into more than one category. This helps fine-tune the description of an individual when someone else in the Club wants to know more specifically what kind of a nut another guy is. For example, as we've already seen, OLD GUARD members, because of their experience, are particularly good at falling into many categories (and they will use this to their advantage). Since an OLD GUARD member has usually owned several types of Porsches, he has at least partial membership in many of the other groups such as the TECHNO, WATERBOY, etc. It almost always guarantees that he is a member of the TECHNOS However, the Official Rules dictate that any individual who falls into two or more categories will be classified officially as the lowest life form. Therefore, if a PURIST owns several cars, one of which he seldom drives for fear of getting dust on it, then he is officially classified as a QUEEN. (It's my game; I make the rules!)
THE OTHER GUYS: You ask, "What about the 356ers, 912ers, 914 and 914-6 owners?" Well, most of them will fall into one or more of the above descriptions, even though they weren't specifically mentioned. Besides, many of these groups have their own perverse sub-cultures including organizations, memberships, and DUES. And that's another discussion.
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I am one, but would like to be both. Have always been a fan, since the day there was one sitting in my fathers shop back in '79 or '80. The lust started in '87 when the S4 came out. Sex on wheels and every doctors parking lot that I entered had one, and they always made me tingle. I still get that feeling when I look in my garage and see two of them in it. I feel blessed.
But once you have one or two of the models you dreamed about, then comes the urge to have just another example. For me it was to have a very early model. Then came the urge to have one of the GTS's, and for me it doesn't matter if it is a GTG with an S4 engine in it or not.![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
What makes this even more blissful for me is I have the opportunity to look at, tinker with, and learn something new about these cars everyday. Allow the cars to actually irritate me (more my stupidity than the cars not cooperating). If someone would have told me 20 years ago that I'd be dealing with my dream car on a daily basis, and have a choice of what one to drive, I'd have told them they were full of crap.
Add in the fact that I would meet the load of people that I can now call my friends, and what great friends they are, because of this passion for the 928 that started so long ago. Not just in the DFW area either, but having found a community like this, it astounds me daily.
Great thread. Thanks for sharing.
But once you have one or two of the models you dreamed about, then comes the urge to have just another example. For me it was to have a very early model. Then came the urge to have one of the GTS's, and for me it doesn't matter if it is a GTG with an S4 engine in it or not.
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What makes this even more blissful for me is I have the opportunity to look at, tinker with, and learn something new about these cars everyday. Allow the cars to actually irritate me (more my stupidity than the cars not cooperating). If someone would have told me 20 years ago that I'd be dealing with my dream car on a daily basis, and have a choice of what one to drive, I'd have told them they were full of crap.
Add in the fact that I would meet the load of people that I can now call my friends, and what great friends they are, because of this passion for the 928 that started so long ago. Not just in the DFW area either, but having found a community like this, it astounds me daily.
Great thread. Thanks for sharing.
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Great post. I agree with David, more money & time more cars, right now serious enthusiast. I would love to get my hands on a 911SC, but probably going with a 914 for my sons to cut their teeth on and appreciate the lineage.
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I take it there is NO friend with a 15k mile 94 GTS?? I guess that must have been research for this post?
I have owned 7 928s over the course of 15 years, involved with 928s since b/f there was a Porschefans or Rennlist or even the internet; so even though I have 2, one with 1400 miles and another low mileage GTS would that make me a collector enthusiast? Perhaps you should better define "collector" and "enthusiast" and are they mutually exclusive terms or can they be one in the same? Can a "collector" be an "enthusiast" and by the same token can an "enthusiast" be a "collector"? Can an enthusiast not want values to remain high or should that only be the view of a collector? This group has for the most part seemed happier when the value of 928s is dropping and been pretty militant when the subject of high values comes up...........
I have owned 7 928s over the course of 15 years, involved with 928s since b/f there was a Porschefans or Rennlist or even the internet; so even though I have 2, one with 1400 miles and another low mileage GTS would that make me a collector enthusiast? Perhaps you should better define "collector" and "enthusiast" and are they mutually exclusive terms or can they be one in the same? Can a "collector" be an "enthusiast" and by the same token can an "enthusiast" be a "collector"? Can an enthusiast not want values to remain high or should that only be the view of a collector? This group has for the most part seemed happier when the value of 928s is dropping and been pretty militant when the subject of high values comes up...........
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Great post...I enjoyed it.
Hi my name is Stefan and I am and enthusiast and waterboy...nuff said.![Cheers](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/beerchug.gif)
WATERBOYS: These are water-cooled Porsche owners. Although this category obviously includes 928's, 924's, Boxsters, and the new 911's, I'm thinking particularly of 944's, and 968's. They are usually a friendly lot, even though they know that the purists are always thinking, "real Porsches aren't water-cooled." WATERBOYS are well tolerated these days because the turbo versions of these cars are so fast and viceless on the track.
If you are an air-cooled owner and you persist in tormenting a WATERBOY, he's likely to get fed up and challenge you to a lap or two of the closest road course. Personally, I likeWATERBOYS, because they really seem to enjoy their cars and they drive them "as they were intended." Besides, the new water-cooled Porsches are the best Porsches yet in terms of performance, and like it or not, they represent the future of the marquee.
Hi my name is Stefan and I am and enthusiast and waterboy...nuff said.
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WATERBOYS: These are water-cooled Porsche owners. Although this category obviously includes 928's, 924's, Boxsters, and the new 911's, I'm thinking particularly of 944's, and 968's. They are usually a friendly lot, even though they know that the purists are always thinking, "real Porsches aren't water-cooled." WATERBOYS are well tolerated these days because the turbo versions of these cars are so fast and viceless on the track.
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Great read man.
enthusiast here i guess...
I just like driving and having fun working on my car. It's a serious sense of accomplishment for me when I've completed something that should have cost an arm and a leg at any service shop.
I don't care how much it costs.
Just send me the parts please!![jumper](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/jumper.gif)
I also enjoy reading the many informative posts i find on rennlist.
Thanks guys
enthusiast here i guess...
I just like driving and having fun working on my car. It's a serious sense of accomplishment for me when I've completed something that should have cost an arm and a leg at any service shop.
I don't care how much it costs.
Just send me the parts please!
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I also enjoy reading the many informative posts i find on rennlist.
Thanks guys
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Enthusiast for sure. I could care less about keeping my car original. Whatever breaks or is failing gets replaced with something better no matter who manufactures the aprt. I spend the majority of my time and money (on all my cars) on engines and brakes. Sadly paint always comes last since it doesn't make it go faster. And since I've lost tons of money or value on any car I've ever owned admitting to being a collector would be silly.
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I wouldn't say an enthusiast "wants" 928 values to go down..
I think an enthusiast really doesn't give a crap about the values. He has one (or two), drives them as much as he can, and that's all that matters. His 928 is not for sale
And yes..definitely an enthusiast here.
I think an enthusiast really doesn't give a crap about the values. He has one (or two), drives them as much as he can, and that's all that matters. His 928 is not for sale
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And yes..definitely an enthusiast here.
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I'm a very stubborn enthusiast. I laugh at people who'd just assume use a brita filter if they could get it to purify rain before it hits their virginal cars, or are afraid that a bug will fart too close to their garage queens.
The more I get "messed with", the more that I want to get even deeper into cars. The more they break, the harder it is for me fight off the urge to thrash them even harder, next time...
The more I get "messed with", the more that I want to get even deeper into cars. The more they break, the harder it is for me fight off the urge to thrash them even harder, next time...
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This has been a very great post to read to bring me outta a bad day rut. Come a week from today I'll have worked 18 of the last 19 days, and my 928 is so far away I just get beaten down, so thanks, this thread has made my day better.
I'm going to out myself and just say I'm a worried newbie. I've loved Porsches in general since my father owned a 911SC and a 993 growing up. As a car enthusiast I was always fond of the 928's for how absolutely unique and interesting (not to mention good looking) they are, but was always put off by the stigma these cars have. They were too expensive to own, and such a pain to work on. I wouldn't have been here were it not for my father making one of the better bad decisions he's made, and I get to carry that on here shortly.
While I'm at it, I'll go ahead and say the best part about these cars have been the people that own them. This community, and everyone I've met both in DFW and Austin have been fantastic, and I can not imagine owning a 928 without the assistance and passion you all put in to your cars. I look forward to learning more about these cars every chance I get.
I'm going to out myself and just say I'm a worried newbie. I've loved Porsches in general since my father owned a 911SC and a 993 growing up. As a car enthusiast I was always fond of the 928's for how absolutely unique and interesting (not to mention good looking) they are, but was always put off by the stigma these cars have. They were too expensive to own, and such a pain to work on. I wouldn't have been here were it not for my father making one of the better bad decisions he's made, and I get to carry that on here shortly.
While I'm at it, I'll go ahead and say the best part about these cars have been the people that own them. This community, and everyone I've met both in DFW and Austin have been fantastic, and I can not imagine owning a 928 without the assistance and passion you all put in to your cars. I look forward to learning more about these cars every chance I get.
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Living where we do you have to be an enthusiast...............no place for collectors really unless you transported the car from the farm to highway and back.
Personally, I believe 'we' collectively have taken the 928 to a position far from where the factory intended. Re-building the engine covers alone with modern gasket materials create an oil tight motor.
The timing belt issue is resolved with Kens invention, the wandering torque tube locked in place with Constantines clamp, steering looseness tightened with various solutions etc etc etc.
Porsche designed, engineered and manufactured a fantastic car that can be fully driven daily.
Personally, I believe 'we' collectively have taken the 928 to a position far from where the factory intended. Re-building the engine covers alone with modern gasket materials create an oil tight motor.
The timing belt issue is resolved with Kens invention, the wandering torque tube locked in place with Constantines clamp, steering looseness tightened with various solutions etc etc etc.
Porsche designed, engineered and manufactured a fantastic car that can be fully driven daily.