Notices
928 Forum 1978-1995
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: 928 Specialists

Headlights - Up and Down, Up and Down

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-25-2009, 09:30 PM
  #1  
kraabel
Racer
Thread Starter
 
kraabel's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 280
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Headlights - Up and Down, Up and Down (UPDATED)

I'm slowly making my way through the new MY90 I picked up for (cheap). Lots of neglected items, but nothing seems to serious yet.

One of the things that seemed strange, that I've never experienced before is a rather erratic set of headlights. When they turn on they come up and then the motor just continues to cycle. It's basically doing a full rotation and will continue to go until I shut off the lights.

Thoughts?

Here's a video of the problem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS0fxoYqFn8

Last edited by kraabel; 04-02-2009 at 12:34 PM. Reason: added video
Old 02-25-2009, 11:28 PM
  #2  
Alan
Electron Wrangler
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
Alan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Phoenix AZ
Posts: 13,426
Received 421 Likes on 288 Posts
Default

Someone put the wrong headlight motor in it - a '90 would not normally do this... can you check the part number of the motor

Alan
Old 02-26-2009, 09:14 AM
  #3  
Fabio421
Man of many SIGs
Rennlist Member
 
Fabio421's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Florida, USA
Posts: 8,722
Received 11 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

I have another 928'er whi is local to me here in FL who is having a similar problem in a 78. When he turns the car off (without turning the headlight switch off first ) the headlights go down then up then down a couple of times. I'm not sure if they ever stop without turning the switch off. Any ideas Alan?
Old 02-26-2009, 09:53 AM
  #4  
Tampa 928s
Race Car
 
Tampa 928s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tampa Florida
Posts: 4,089
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

On my 82 it was the relay and also the diode on the motor!
Old 02-26-2009, 10:07 AM
  #5  
kraabel
Racer
Thread Starter
 
kraabel's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 280
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

what else is connected to that relay? wondering if the whole thing went bad, or just the part that controls the motor. I'll pull the number off the motor. it looks like it's been in there a while. then again, there's really no way for me to tell.
Old 02-26-2009, 11:04 AM
  #6  
Fabio421
Man of many SIGs
Rennlist Member
 
Fabio421's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Florida, USA
Posts: 8,722
Received 11 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Tampa 928s
On my 82 it was the relay and also the diode on the motor!
Doesn't it sense an increase in load and parks it? If you know the answer mark, please explain.

Thanks
Old 02-26-2009, 12:26 PM
  #7  
laufenOutLoud
Instructor
 
laufenOutLoud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Marietta, GA
Posts: 166
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

My $.02: my switch was at fault. But then again all those switches are all connected to each other in the most exciting wiring job ever in a dashboard... it could be one of the other switches which is messing with the voltage. Check your current.
Old 02-26-2009, 12:27 PM
  #8  
laufenOutLoud
Instructor
 
laufenOutLoud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Marietta, GA
Posts: 166
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Sorry, forgot to mention that I had the exact same problem except my headlights would sometimes turn themselves on, then start going up and down, up and down, until I cycled the switch.
Old 02-26-2009, 02:15 PM
  #9  
StratfordShark
Drifting
 
StratfordShark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Stratford-upon-Avon
Posts: 3,255
Received 84 Likes on 64 Posts
Default

I would suspect the semi-circular switch in the headlight motor which signals when headlights are in up position.

I'm also puzzled by motor behaviour in your video. I'm pretty sure that for at least MY88 onwards the motor changes direction to lower headlights - in earlier cars the motor goes in single direction. So maybe the motor is at fault?
Old 02-27-2009, 10:56 AM
  #10  
Alan
Electron Wrangler
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
Alan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Phoenix AZ
Posts: 13,426
Received 421 Likes on 288 Posts
Default

Tell us what the part number on the motor is ?

Earlier than '87 the headlight motor continues to rotate in the same direction - half a cycle for up and the next half cycle for down. after '87 the motor does a helf cycle up and to go down reverses direction. In this mode it is not designed to cycle beyond the up position and should not physically be able to do so unless it is misaligned. That it can do so suggests its been swapped to an earlier motor - this does not work - the two are totaly incompatible electrically. The other posibiility is that the relay has a stuck contact although on the motor that seems to be rare - your video suggests this is possible simply because the lights do come on at the top of the cycle - this is normally controlled by the limit switch.

For <'87 cars that do this its likely the limit switches or diodes in the motor that have failed so it doesn't know it got to the top and just keeps going...

Alan
Old 02-27-2009, 11:57 AM
  #11  
928worldwide
Banned
 
928worldwide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 362
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

This always happens to me when I leave the headlights up after manually extending them, and then I use the switch to turn the lights on. They will cycle up and down indefinately. Try extending them manually, and then lower them manually- see if that solves the problem....Once lowered manually, actuate the switch and it should be normal. Let me know if it works for you...

Thanks,
Mason
Old 02-27-2009, 12:17 PM
  #12  
Alan
Electron Wrangler
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
Alan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Phoenix AZ
Posts: 13,426
Received 421 Likes on 288 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 928worldwide
This always happens to me when I leave the headlights up after manually extending them, and then I use the switch to turn the lights on.
This may well be true for you - but it should not work this way - something is not adjusted correctly for this to make a difference...
Old 02-27-2009, 12:28 PM
  #13  
928worldwide
Banned
 
928worldwide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 362
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

It's happened to me several times on at least 2 different cars. If he tries it, it might work. I guess we'll see! Maybe the manual override function won't allow the headlight motor to function properly unless it's fully retracted manually first.

Last edited by 928worldwide; 02-27-2009 at 12:44 PM.
Old 02-27-2009, 01:07 PM
  #14  
Brad W
Burning Brakes
 
Brad W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 881
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Tampa 928s
On my 82 it was the relay and also the diode on the motor!
+1
Old 02-27-2009, 02:56 PM
  #15  
Alan
Electron Wrangler
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
Alan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Phoenix AZ
Posts: 13,426
Received 421 Likes on 288 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Tampa 928s
On my 82 it was the relay and also the diode on the motor!
Unfortunately a '90 doesn't have any diodes... and even if the switch on the motor failed - on a '90 the pods would not go back down again...

Alan


Quick Reply: Headlights - Up and Down, Up and Down



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 09:22 PM.