another question. When I got my 84S, we did a T/B job. I noticed that the timing marks on the cam gears were to the backside of the gear. However, I aslo noticed on another (same size engine) that the timing marks were towards the front of the cam gear. Also noticed was the fact that the timing marks weren't at the top of the tooth nor quite in the valley of the tooth either. If the cam gear is placed on backwards as to the way it came off, could this effect timing?

 

TWO revolutions of the crank equals ONE revolution of the cams.

I think you know this but typed it wrong.

 

Gray it has euro cams which puts it in the gray zone:

I got it running looks like the owner did not notice the Plenum had lifted off a little, I reseated it and it started. My distributor is at the end of its travel is there a procedure when you insert it in reference to that line?

 

One too-common thing to look for is the balancer on correctly. With the balancer on backwards, cam timing will always be wrong. Should be able to read the numbers right-side-up looking from the front.

Otherwise, you are correct on the way you determined #1 TDC. On the compression stroke, the rotor should point to the #1 plug wire. Hopefully, you didn't move the distributor much during your work. Distributor drives at the same speed as the cam, and the relationship should not change when you change a belt.


I want to throw out another possibility, and that is that you have a broken cam. On your 16V car it's relatively easy to pull the cam covers to check. Kind of remote chance but worth consideration if you don't find something else. You could quickly see symptoms of this with a very basic leakdown test, and also for sure with a compression test on all the cylinders.

 

Got it seems like the timing was off I reinserted the distributor the rotor needs to be at the leading edge of the line toward the passenger side not the drivers side. It's running fine, I have a slave on the way and will drive it tomorrow and reset the timing.

 

Need pictures of the slave. Could probably use one myself but not worth keeping one full-time.

 

Dr. Bob is that a joke

 

Mark...
obviously you have a destroyed engine...
just send the car to the farm and I promise to take good care of it...
better yet... the flat bed will be there at 9am tomorrow..
I'll let you know what happened

 

Nice !