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Made of 2 parts. Outer body in ABS, textured black, inner body in Polycarbonate to act as a "light pipe". The inner body could have the graphic "pad printed" on it, then glued to outer body.
This could be a reasonable cost design.
For lower volume, low cost application, you can have the part "masters" cast in a silicone mold, and the final parts casted with urethane. Pad printing you can have done just about anywhere.
This could be a reasonable cost design.
For lower volume, low cost application, you can have the part "masters" cast in a silicone mold, and the final parts casted with urethane. Pad printing you can have done just about anywhere.
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To get the tab off you need quick high heat - something that heats the tab fast and the glass not so much. The best is a propane torch. If you are a gourmet & have a mini propane torch for browning/crisping Creme Brulee - perfect - otherwise use a regular propane torch and something as a mask for the glass around the tab - when hot (2-3 sec) twist it off easily with a pair of pliers and remove any remaining glue residue with a razor blade
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Yes of course it IS auto-dimming too - I did neglect to mention that...!
To get the tab off you need quick high heat - something that heats the tab fast and the glass not so much. The best is a propane torch. If you are a gourmet & have a mini propane torch for browning/crisping Creme Brulee - perfect - otherwise use a regular propane torch and something as a mask for the glass around the tab - when hot (2-3 sec) twist it off easily with a pair of pliers and remove any remaining glue residue with a razor blade
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To get the tab off you need quick high heat - something that heats the tab fast and the glass not so much. The best is a propane torch. If you are a gourmet & have a mini propane torch for browning/crisping Creme Brulee - perfect - otherwise use a regular propane torch and something as a mask for the glass around the tab - when hot (2-3 sec) twist it off easily with a pair of pliers and remove any remaining glue residue with a razor blade
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Jadz928, that is way cool looking. Were you envisioning this to fit over the top of the existing switch or replace the exisiting rocker on the switch?
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Made of 2 parts. Outer body in ABS, textured black, inner body in Polycarbonate to act as a "light pipe". The inner body could have the graphic "pad printed" on it, then glued to outer body.
This could be a reasonable cost design.
For lower volume, low cost application, you can have the part "masters" cast in a silicone mold, and the final parts casted with urethane. Pad printing you can have done just about anywhere.
This could be a reasonable cost design.
For lower volume, low cost application, you can have the part "masters" cast in a silicone mold, and the final parts casted with urethane. Pad printing you can have done just about anywhere.
I think he has already decided on his approach, which is the same he does in his daily work for a low volume, high end auto maker...
You can be assured that whatever he delivers will last - just as his clear turn signal lenses are the most glossy, clear, and durable ones on the market. Basically, he'll make sure that you have to do this conversion only once...
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I have a Donnelly ECT mirror with maplights, compass temp etc and the size is actually fine - metter than stock in every way - the re-mount not difficult (just a tense moment on removal. I'd go ahead and do it. Perhaps a UV LED downlight and fluorescent switch decals ?
Personally I think the issue isn't the illumination as much as that this isn't the optimal positions for these switches (after all if you have to look at the switches you are looking a long way away from the road...). I know that's the stock look but it was one of the few poor ergonomic choices Porsche made in my opinion. All modern designs have the window switches intuitively located on the doors... I think the current configuration dates the interior somewhat... Like to see someone totally reconfigure the console (also a dated look) and move them to the doors... anyone game?
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Personally I think the issue isn't the illumination as much as that this isn't the optimal positions for these switches (after all if you have to look at the switches you are looking a long way away from the road...). I know that's the stock look but it was one of the few poor ergonomic choices Porsche made in my opinion. All modern designs have the window switches intuitively located on the doors... I think the current configuration dates the interior somewhat... Like to see someone totally reconfigure the console (also a dated look) and move them to the doors... anyone game?
Alan
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These things always crack me up. Why draw attention to something that was designed to be ergonomic where you don't even have to look at it. Think about it. Why would you want to make "window switches" a visual center piece or attraction?
They are in a great location and if one just takes the time to relax and rest their arm on the center pocket, they will see there hand nearly lays right over the switches with all 4 fingers touching each individual switch. It was intended to be a "no thought" design.
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They are in a great location and if one just takes the time to relax and rest their arm on the center pocket, they will see there hand nearly lays right over the switches with all 4 fingers touching each individual switch. It was intended to be a "no thought" design.
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They are in a great location and if one just takes the time to relax and rest their arm on the center pocket, they will see there hand nearly lays right over the switches with all 4 fingers touching each individual switch. It was intended to be a "no thought" design.
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Would help if they made the 2 positions of the switch different tactilly (by touch)
Both positions are dimples in the plastic.
And the more you use it, the more the overlay wears out.
Might put one of those clear furniture bumper dots on the up positions of the switch dimple to tell which position I'm hitting.
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Ernest...seriously? lol
I always thought the universal rule for ALL cars was forward is up and backward is down.
Forgive me if I am not one to understand that it IS difficult for people to remember certain things that seem trivial to others. I just think if one takes the time to familiarize themselves with a vehicle, essentially during the first orientation session, they tend to automatically remember.
My biggest gripe is the darn wiper delay wheel under the pod in the early cars. I STILL fish around for that thing after driving these cars for years. And the position of the wheel on the later cars, is that it is actually more difficult to reach even though you can see it!
Sorry, didn't mean to get off topic here.
I always thought the universal rule for ALL cars was forward is up and backward is down.
Forgive me if I am not one to understand that it IS difficult for people to remember certain things that seem trivial to others. I just think if one takes the time to familiarize themselves with a vehicle, essentially during the first orientation session, they tend to automatically remember.
My biggest gripe is the darn wiper delay wheel under the pod in the early cars. I STILL fish around for that thing after driving these cars for years. And the position of the wheel on the later cars, is that it is actually more difficult to reach even though you can see it!
Sorry, didn't mean to get off topic here.
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Seriously.
I put my finger down on the switch without looking down and sometimes I cannot tell which dimple I have my finger on and have to feel around to figure out which part of the switch my finger's on.
I don't think I've ever "rested" my arm on the center console.
I've got a Momo 350mm steering wheel and I prefer having both hands on the wheel with the smaller wheel.
To go further OT.
I've driven a Honda Civic from ages ago briefly. It's got rotary AC control *****. I can tell exactly how warm it's set to and which position the AC control is on by it's rotary position.
I have to glance down at the 928 sliders to see roughly where the temp is and which position AC control is set to. The less time I have on the secondary controls, the more I see what crazies are doing around me.
Just my preference. Think the slider controls are 'carry-over' from the 911 days.
Maybe it was easier to make a straight rheostat slider than a round one.
I put my finger down on the switch without looking down and sometimes I cannot tell which dimple I have my finger on and have to feel around to figure out which part of the switch my finger's on.
I don't think I've ever "rested" my arm on the center console.
I've got a Momo 350mm steering wheel and I prefer having both hands on the wheel with the smaller wheel.
To go further OT.
I've driven a Honda Civic from ages ago briefly. It's got rotary AC control *****. I can tell exactly how warm it's set to and which position the AC control is on by it's rotary position.
I have to glance down at the 928 sliders to see roughly where the temp is and which position AC control is set to. The less time I have on the secondary controls, the more I see what crazies are doing around me.
Just my preference. Think the slider controls are 'carry-over' from the 911 days.
Maybe it was easier to make a straight rheostat slider than a round one.
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I just have to wonder how many people can type on their keyboard or play the piano without any problem at all, but yet have to look down at those four switches to operate them.