ubercooper

can someone please explain to me why PBR ultimate ceramic brakes cost $126 at 928 Motorsports, and $44 at this random googled website and paragon? or are these pads somehow different?

http://www.importrp.com/product.php?...1&cat=0&page=1

http://www.paragon-products.com/product_p/pbr_d439c.htm


thanks
-Seb

dr bob

I guess you should ask Carl.

Paragon has always had amazingly low prices on PBR pads. They must sell a pile of them to be able to sell them that low.

OYOH, I put brakes on the car once a decade it seems. Keeping my favorite vendors in business pays back in other non-brake-pad ways.

ROG100

I sell PBR for less than $35 8>)
Great pads at a great price.

JWise

I've been thinking about the aforementioned PBR Ceramics for my next brake job. How are they on dust? (I can't stand brake dust)

ubercooper

I hear they are pretty dusty, according to the 928M site its more of a track pad

ROG100

All of the PBR range are a little dusty - you get what you pay for 8>)
No dust are Hawk pads but $120 plus 8<(

dr bob

The PBR Metal Masters I have on the car now are very low dust compared with the factory pads, but hardly dust-free. The ceramic pads in the first post sound more high-perf than I might want on my street-only car. Race pads tend to have less-than-acceptable cold-pad performance, and there's a price to pay for the high-friction race pads too-- excessive rotor wear. As cool as it sounds to have 'race pads' on a street car, it's less than stellar in almost all street driving conditions and situations. If you drive like I do, anyway. YMMV of course.

GeorgeM

I have the PBR organics for the street and they provide fine performance with very low dust.

Randy V

I just bought some PBR ceramics for my rear brakes from 928 International at a good price.

Jim assures me they are low dust - right, Jim?

Jfrahm

I have run PBR organic and metallic and got a good amount of dust, but I'm OK with dust. I doubt a really low dust pad would work OK and not make a ton of noise.

On my most recent brake pad purchase I researched PBR Ceramics and read that some people got squeal and some did not, I did not want to risk squeal and noise so I went with metallic.

-Joel.

JWise

Duly noted. I'll scratch them off the list and probably go with the Hawks that Roger mentions (I have Metal Masters on the M3, and while not bad, would prefer even less dust). Thanks!

the flyin' scotsman

I have PBR ceramics on all 4 corners...............great price from Roger with stock front rotors and new cast in hole rear.

Dust is very minimal compared to the Mintex and noise is low.

dr bob

Malcolm--

How do you rate the stopping? Especially cold, the first few stops in the morning? With the MM's, I had a really firm pedal OK, but they pads needed a really firm push the first few stops. Once warmed they were a lot better. I got in the habit of dragging the pedal down the hill to the street, and they are generally OK by the time I get to traffic. I put the ceramics on K's 4-Runner, stopping is OK, but they are noisy. I tried the backing pads, the blue goo, still a little noisy. It's almost time for new pads & rotors, so I'm interested in your feedback on the ceramics.

the flyin' scotsman

Bob,

We have a farm where my 1/2km driveway leads directly to a highway so my limited use of the cold brakes at low speed are just fine.

I had issue with the ABS system that wore out the front Mintex pads in no time so my opinion is biased. All I truly know is the Mintex pads wore out rapidly, created lots of dust and noise to the point I was very concerned on spirited mountain drives.

Fast forward to my current brake set up: new front PBR ceramic pads, stock rotors and calipers; new rear PBR ceramic pads, new rotors (cast in hole), stock calipers. Brake fluid is new 'blue' bled with a power bleeder and I run a 33psi bias valve. The new rears are now fully beded and perfect; the fronts are good but perhaps may require new rotors soon. I've toyed with GTS set up but cant justify the cost..............the OEM brakes are that good.

My car now brakes very well with even 'squat' on very spirited speeds to the point that unless I track the car the brakes/suspension/tyre set up is optimum for my car, my driving style and varied conditions.

Yes, I did fix the ABS...............relay issue.

dr bob

Thanks!