Herman K

Just saw this on Yahoo... true or false?

http://gmy.news.yahoo.com/v/9344805

sty3x

Hmm Interesting Try it out on a cheap 928

Herman K

Looking for a guinea pig!

Suggestion for a plan: Let do a collective buy (lets say 50-100 RB members @ $100.00) buy one of Rogers fixer uppers to experiment. He installs, fact finds and sells the kits for 928 if it works.

Roger where are thou!

Tampa 928s

So where are the instructions I'll try it on one of my cars "not the 928".

pdejong

That is awesome! I always thought that Texas was the only place in the US (or the world, for that matter) where mother nature had forgotten to apply physical laws. Also in Norfolk!

Ed Scherer

I, for one, was extremely impressed with the excellent reporting and thoroughness with which they reported, not only the claim, but the resulting performance, as well as the theory behind this breakthrough technology.

I'm hoping we can get this team onto other alternative energy approaches, so with all their expertise and impressive adherence to the scientific method, they can introduce us to other technologies and separate the good from the bad.

Jim bailey - 928 International

Given the following as of 2005.... "U.S. gasoline consumption of 320500000 gallons per day ..." let me add the commas 320,500,000 gallons per day that is about 1.3 BILLION dollars a DAY !! Just how much would a "good idea" be worth ?? I think I would be talking to TOYOTA if it worked !! ... You can have my invention for $100 million transfered to my offshore corporation ! Or sell it to EXXON , plays on the conspiracy theories.

SteveG

Jim, you know the old (I'm older than you ??) conspiracy theories floated in general shop classes was that many home inventors had carbs (that's how old) that would get 50 or 80 mpg, but the GM or Ford or ? in conspiracy with Oil Companies had done what you are offering. And you have proven that you would go for it and leave your fellow sharkies behind.

Have we reached the point that the oil companies don't care? Or they know this thing will destroy your engine?

w3lfd

You have got to be the king of sarcasm. I am rolling on the floor right now. LOL!.

But seriously, are they just point blank taking this guys word for it or is there actual data to back this up?
And engine wear is another thing that I would like some data on.

How often does he refill the mason jars with water?

What are "Over the Road" miles?

RKD in OKC

The thing that I see missing is, if this is making the engine use less gasoline, then wouldn't the fuel delivery need to be retuned leaner?

Ed Scherer

Well, you've got to admit, that's some world class bad reporting there.

Imagine this same crack team on some other thing that so many people are affected by: cancer. I can just see them now:

Rielle (newsbabe behind the Channel 2 news desk): "We go now to our own Crack, who's out in the field today, with this miraculous new cure for cancer, which you'll ONLY see on CHANNEL 2."

Crack reporter: "Today, we're in the home of George Toomerbody."

George: "Six months ago, my doctors gave me three months to live, and said they couldn't do anything for me. Yet, as you can see, here I am today. Feeling better than ever, and, as you can see, cancer free."

Crack reporter: "You certainly look great now, George. How did you do that, George?"

George: "Well, I was reading on this website that opossums have one hell of an immune system, so I went out in the back yard, popped a possum, tossed it in the blender, and made myself a possum purée. I'll tell you, it took me three tries to get it down — well, with the furballs and stench, you can imagine — but within a few days, I started feeling better. And, well, here I am. My oh-so-smart doctors said they've never seen anything like it."

Crack reporter: "Amazing stuff, George. Back to you, Rielle."

Rielle (back in the newsroom): "Amazing, indeed, Crack. And remember, you saw it first on CHANNEL 2. Medical researchers are certainly going to be examining George and reviewing his groundbreaking, miracle cure in the coming days."

(Rielle laughs, camera pans to the weather babe as she's whispering to the clean-cut sports guy, "What's Cancer?", realizes that she's on, and then the whole team shares an uncomfortable group chuckle.)


(Suburban opossum population in the Channel 2 listening area drops by half over the next week)

Lizard928

lol, I have seen this pop up on a few forums now.

Not this specific interview. But this same system.

I am told the mythbusters did experiment with this system, and were unable to succeed with it. I have not seen the show, but I am told that they did not use any baking soda in the water.

Now that being said I have a friend who did this (with one jug) on his little mazda car (protege I think).
He made the system himself (not hard) and saw a 20% increase in fuel economy.

I am planning on making one of these for my 87 auto and installing it to see how much of a gain can be seen on the S4.
The technology is pretty simple, you are replacing some of the fuel with hydrogen which is supposed to burn abit hotter and give a more complete burn.

Keep in mind that you have to replace the water in the jar(s) every 1000km, for some that isnt worth the hassle.

Ed Scherer

Here's an actual article on the topic, in case anyone isn't already up to speed.

Water-Powered Cars: Hydrogen Electrolyzer Mod Can't Up MPGs

w3lfd

I agree, also, every website that is selling one of these things (and there are about a billion) claims numbers that they do not support with any data.

A subconscious change in driving habbits can give you a 20% increase in fuel economy-- no rabbit starts, more conservative shift pattern, more highway driving, taking fewer short trips.

To really get a number you would need to observe someones driving patterns for a given amount of time, say a month. Then you would need to take that data and compare it to data taken after the install that mimics that pattern exactly. same routes, same weather (barometric pressure, relative humidity, temperature, etc) Same month of year, same traffic flow as the original data. Same driving habits as the original data.

I suspect that if someone did this correctly they would find a negligible impact on fuel economy. I agree somewhat with the theory behind it, but in reality I think that it is unproven and wishful thinking.

To do this right you would need to have a system that delivers a metered amount of hydrogen and adjust the fuel injection map to deliver less gasoline. Otherwise you may be looking at sparkplugs every few months, a cat in a year, etc, etc, etc.

I think in the long term on this thing, it may all be a wash, or worse, end up costing you more in the long run.

My 2 cents.

Lizard928

It will automatically lean the mixture anyways due to the unmetered air/hydrogen. The reason for this is you inject it between the MAF and TB.