RyanPerrella

Ron,

I recall your car looking pretty good. Why have you decided to repaint the whole thing? I would just have that trouble spot fixed by a professional. Taking bumper covers off is one thing, (its not bad, ive had both front and rear off) but when you start talking about breaking down door, the rear hatch and the sunroof i would really think twice if you really need all that.

Doc,

The difference between a $3000 and a $10,000 paint job is the color sanding that comes after. Its more involved then just polishing but not a whole lot more. The car looks great, i would color sand it, i would color sand any NEW paint job, it really HAS to be done, i don't care who sprays it, paint will orange peel and color sanding is the way its removed and a mirror surface is left behind.

Oh and Ron, I think the Pascha leather seats would look amazing in your all black car. Have you considered those considering Paul's going to do your interior?

perrys4

Ryan,

My paint looks pretty good from 10 feet but there are a few scratches it had when I got it that bother me. I don't want another patch job so I figure I will just do the whole car.

As far as the seats, I love the Pascha look but I am switching the black interior to a medium Porsche brown leather and I am not sure how they would look in that color. I suspect the black is what looks the best since we all see checkers as black and white ( or in pauls case, black and gray). I also need to see where I am budget wise since we all know you will spend more than anticipated so i need to leave soem room in the budget.

Why are the window seal such a big deal? What makes them hard to replace? Mine are cracking so I wanted to do them...

Jim bailey - 928 International

The lower outer seal has a C shaped section which catches the black trim as well as the door with the blade protruding out against the glass. It is not very easy to feed it into place and costs about $140 a side. You need to remove the inner door panel to have better access so it does take some time and a bit of swearing...body shops get paid about 2 hours to install one.

RyanPerrella

the seals are expensive

Yeah i am not a big fan of the all black 928 interior, its too....... black. I think Pauls Pascha seats would change my mind on that though and give it some contrast.

Have fun, it will be brand new when your done with it.

Have you ever considered having the paint polished, you can get rid of scratches with touch up paint color sanding and polishing. Just an alternative.

Sterling, I have a nice 3M set that i've been interested in using but still haven't, I imagine thats what your referring to but to cut paint and orange peel you cant do that with just a compound and foam pad, you need paper and a block of some sort. Mind you its somewhat aggressive but it can make even a poor paint job look like a million bucks. No one seems to do it anymore, i will agree, its pretty labor intensive and i think the new crop of guys doing paint and body don't know much about color sanding. When i was young, like 10 years old i thought it was this mythical thing. A friend of the family was a great body guy and i was always asking questions at the shop that was filled with Ferrari's and Rolls and Porsches.

perrys4

Ryan, I am switching colors to help with the extreme heat caused by the black. I hate gettign off work and sitting in traffic roasting waiting for the A/C to pull down the temp. I think the brown and the tinted windows will help this.

Jim,
Is the rubber non removable if you get it off just a bit? Is it a one time try?

Jim bailey - 928 International

You can play with a new one it is the old dried out originals which simply fall apart.

SeanR

Here is my take on it. Once you have done a few bumper covers, it gets much easier, but on the 1st one or two.. you will cuss a few things. I've had Rogers GTS cover on, off and on again several times to make the fit up to the standards that I think it should be.


On the 3rd time off, it took me 20 minutes. The 1st time was closer to an hour .5. Lights are the easy part, you just have to know what to unscrew and what not to unscrew on the front. The fog lights.... be sure you take out the mounting screw/bolts, and not mess with the adjustment stuff. They break easy. Those are the hardest part on the lights because it is easy to fug up the 1st time. Thankfully I did that on mine and not Docs or Rogers.

1st, jack the car up, take off your wheels. Remove the splash shields.

The rear bumper has 4 nuts, each side, along the edge of the car. If you don't have PSD, then it will be pretty straight forward. If you do, get some extra extensions and a universal 1/4 incher. There are 4 along the top of the bumper that are easy access. 2 under the bumper. There also 2 each side along the horizontal edge by the wheels.

Front bumper is a bit more simple, 3 along each horizontal edge, 4 that go from that location up in front of the headlights.. If you have a spoiler on it, take it off 1st, jack the car up and you can get to them much easier. Then there are 6 along the front.

Door trim comes out easy, replacement is involved but not too bad.

Sunroof needs another thread.

Now for the hatch area, depending on what you want to do, wing is easy, antennae is not so much, depending on where it is mounted. Trim just pulls out.

Hope that helps.

Remember to BAG AND TAG everything you take off.

backnblack

I went through this and you might want to ask the guy if that includes wet sanding and wheeling out the car after you get it back together? this is what I did. It's not great but it look ok to me just remember it's not the painter that makes a paint job it's the guy that wheels out the car.

perrys4

Great advice everyone. I am sure I will be posting for help when I start to undertake all of this.

perrys4

One more question, I may get run out of town for this but I think I am going to go with a clear coat, any reason or advantage to staying with the one stage paint? Painter did say that the one stage paint is going to be illegal after July of this year. I am guessing he would still shoot it for me that way if I wanted though.

RyanPerrella

if your painting the entire car clear coat the thing, its how most modern paint systems work anyway. I would only go single stage if your doing a patch job or replacing a single panel.

Marine Blue

Nothing wrong with clear coat.

Ryan I have also seen the newer techniques with paint finishing and what Sterling is saying is fairly common these days. A high speed rotary with an agressive cutting compound like Meguiars Diaomond Cut will take orange peel down very quickly and leave a perfectly smooth surface. This will then be followed by a less aggressive polish and pad to remove any hazing caused by the cutting polish. It really is amazing how smooth you can get paint if you have enough of it to work with.

Perry make sure you ask how many mils thick or how many coats they intend to spray and don't skimp on the paint.

Good luck and looking forward to seeing the results!

RyanPerrella

I disagree that compound and and a foam pad will get the finish as smooth as wet sanding does. When you color sand you leave the finish very dull. You then follow with a strong cutting compound, followed by a less aggressive cutting compound, then with a polish then a glaze. You cant get the same results with just a cutting compound and a polish. It will look GREAT don't get me wrong, but color sanding (or wet sanding) leaves the finish completely smooth. A foam pad isnt going to leave a glass smooth finish.

I have 3M's perfect it 3000 line of compounds, polishes and glazes with all the correct foam pads, i haven't broken them out yet because i haven't decided to color sand parts of my car yet, to get the maximum out of doing the complete "Perfect it" system i should colorsand first.

perrys4

This guy paints custom cars and said the same thing about the amount of time dedicated to the polishing determines how smooth the paint is. It all depends on how much I want to spend in labor. He works out of a pretty run down shop that has been in the family for 30 years. I think no overhead allows him to price competitvely. If you are aware of fireball tims minis you have seen his work. www.fireballtim.com

RyanPerrella

fireball tim! OMG is that that freak that i saw on street tuner challenge! What a weirdo!

WHO THE HELL CALLS THEMSELVES "FIREBALL" ANYTHING!

Sorry, rant now complete