Fabio421

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. There is another Rennlist member (who will remain nameless) who had offered to sell CeeDee his wheels and tires for a very good price and with terms. Ceedee never payed anything after the down payment and then attempted to sell his car, with the wheels and tires, on Ebay. The owner of the wheels had to contact CeeDee and ask for the return of the wheels and tires. This unamed wheel owner had to provide Ceedee with another set of wheels and tires (stock) in order to facilitate the return of his property.

Thanks for the reminder Ceedee.

I stand by my previous statements. Buyer beware.

ceedee

mel do you like to add anything to this?

but to say something on my behalve , i was trying to sell the car in order to pay the previous owner of the rims
the moneys i owed him. different circumstances at that time forced me to either
sell a car without rims or sell it with the rims i had. there was nothing malicious about it.

Fabio421

Thanks Daymon. I feel a personal obligation to make others aware. The reason for this is because when Tarek bought the cars from Ceedee, he called me beforehand and asked me if I felt he was an honest guy because he was paying in advance for the cars sight unseen without any paperwork. I said that as far as I knew, he was a stand up guy and I would vouch for him. After this the deal went very badly. If I have the time I will type out a full account of the caper. It will make you laugh, it will make you cry, but most of all, it will make you think twice.

Ceedee, the cars were not originally sold as parts cars. You claimed that you had the title of the white car, then that you could get it, then no answer for months, and finaly you said that it would have to be a parts car. It was not purchased to be a parts car. After repeated requests you still haven't even sent a written bill of sale. Why is that? Was the car ever yours to sell? Is it stolen or salvage? It would be nice to know.

If anyone is seriously interested in buying this car. I am not saying don't buy it. It looks very nice in the pictures. I am saying that you need to make sure you inspect it beforehand and get everything in writing. Protect yourself and you should be fine.

ceedee

docmirror

I'm a shopper, mine's down for engine. Do you have a clear title to this car? Is it in your name? Thanks.

mj1pate

Hmmm....
It really is a good looking car, for 7k asking.

Yep, buyers should have independent PIs, unless they have a high lift and real experience. I watched a good car go to another buyer, because the PO and I couldnt arrange the PI.

I would suggest private messages instead of publically flaming a frequent Rennlister, unless advertising rules aren't obeyed. If deserved, word gets around about consistently negative reputations, and I've seen Ceedee contribute often enough in the forums.


Mike

ceedee

i don't know how you can come up with these 3rd party comments.
i never told you or anyone that i have the title to the white car. i said the previous owner had a title for it but he never came up with it. that is why i sold the car for parts only and i ALWAYS said this car is a parts car. so was the gold car. and i did send a bill of sale and you know that.
and that is all i have to say about this issue.

but to get back to the topic
the car is not in my name nor ist it mine. i am not a broker, but do this as a favor to someone i know.
however, he is asking 7 grand for the car. and since i am member here, i agreed to put the word out for him. however, the final deal would be between you and the owner. he btw inherited the car from his dad and had her in storage. he drove it to not have thing seize and he kept up maintenance.
i think the speedo might have been changed when the car was federalized. but it also could have been changed by someone else. the mileage actually surprized me and i myself was wondering if it was the actual mileage.
however, the owner doesn't know enough about the car to confirm or dissconfirm my opinion.

docmirror

I'm not flaming, I'm asking a valid question about a car offered for public sale. I did it on the forum because maybe other rennlisters would appreciate the same information. Any bidding, buying or dealing will be done privately.

My car really is down for engine, I really am shopping for another, and I really would like to know the ownership status of the car in question. I just went though this with another seller who had paperwork 'issues'. They were fully disclosed, we tried to come to a deal but it didn't work out. If the car is still avail, we need this info.

docmirror

Thank you, does the car have a clear title? i.e. is there a lienholder, or mechanics lien on the car?

ceedee

i didn't feel offended or flamed at all. i just wanted to make a point here that i am not selling this car as a dealer or broker (as someone earler in this thread claimed i would do) .
it is your perfect right to ask and if you are interested in the car, then i would be more than happy to get you and the owner together.

ceedee

no as far as i know the car has a clean title and is owned by this person who got it from his farther.
i don't know , if he passed on or , if he gave it to him.
but i assume it, since he hold me that inherited the car

Fabio421

Not true. I am done here. Good luck.

MGW-Fla

wow,.... here I was trying to calm the waters & not muddy em up more!
I also don't want to get in the middle of any dealings of other people either. However, since I've been dragged into public about it by the both of ya, I'll give my side of the wheel situation.

Last Feb, a week before Sebring, Michael was nice enough to drive round trip 6 hours, spend 12 hours at my house, all in one day, to help me put my shark back together after I'd done an intake R&R, etc. I'd not asked, he had offered. He left my house at midnight on a Sunday with a 3 hour drive home. With Sebring the following weekend, I am still very appreciative for his valued help!

He had expressed interest in my wheels & tires I'd just bought a few months earlier from the Tire Rack(C-2 Turbo replicas/Kumhos). The month prior I had unexpectedly been fortunate enough to buy DR's one of kind finish Kinesis K28R wheels. I had made it known that I'd be selling the C-2s to help recover some of the costs of the Kinesis wheels, as agreed with the wife as part of the okie dokie to buy the Kinesis set. Also to help keep the garage from becoming a wheel storage facility cause I still had my factory flat dishes too.

My C-2 wheels & tires were virtually new, less than 500 miles on em. We agreed upon a price at almost a 1/3 off what I'd paid for them without center caps & I included a spare set of alum. caps I had too. He asked that I allow him to pay me for them over time with $200 down. I felt since he was a fellow Fla 928er & had just spent 18 hours of driving & helping me with my shark, I would trust him. I told him $100 a month would be acceptable to me. We put them on his shark so he could have them on in time for Sebring.

I didn't mark any calendars, but at about 6+ weeks, I contacted him about his 1st payment & he sent $100 to me via paypal. If I remember without looking at emails, about 6 weeks after that, a fellow 928er contacted me to advise that he was selling a 928 on ebay with a new set of C-2 wheels/tires on the car. I had already regretted selling them cause I had decided that I wanted something other than the ugly stock flat dish wheels to put on in case I was ever able to attend a DE. Time had passed & the wife forgot the sting of the big bucks spent on the Kinesis wheels & I had already told her I'd wished I'd kept the C-2s & got rid of the flat dishes.

I contacted Micheal immediately on a Sunday night late via email & voice mail advising him that I wanted the wheels back, not to sell them on the car & I'd refund his moneys paid. He contacted me right back & said he wouldn't sell the wheels. He told me that his plan was that he was going to pay me the balance owed to me when the car sold. He offered to bring them back to me & said I could pay him what I thought they were worth, since he had used them for a few months.

I told him that if he'd bring the wheels back to me, I'd give him back the $300 he'd paid me, & I'd throw in the flat dish wheels so he'd have something to put on the car. It was worth that to me for him to drive six hours round trip to deliver the wheels back to me. I also needed the flat dishes to go away as they were occupying the only space in the garage where I could keep the C-2s. I was not in such an immediate hurry to reverse the deal, as long as I knew he wasn't selling them, but he said he'd bring them to me the next day. I put the flat dishes in my truck just in case. He arrived at my office about 2pm on Monday with the wheels. He said again, I could pay him whatever I wanted for them. I refunded all his money paid to me & gave him the flat dishes too. It was worth that to me & I was happy to have the C-2s back since I had changed my mind anyways.

Would I do it again, probably not, or not the same way. Instead, I'd keep the wheels until they were paid for 1st. I guess I was too lax about it or should have had a better business sense of handling it. But I looked at it as between two fellow Fla. 928 acquaintences, not simply a business deal. He had spent 18 hours on one Sunday to help me, including driving 6 hours, whatever the motivation, and I didn't have anyone else making that effort on my behalf.

But all along & even now, I believe Michael has a good heart. He has tried various ventures car related to make a go of it. I do not think there was any intention on his part to take advantage of me. I think he was stuggling with trying to make something work for him to make ends meet. Now whether or not I'd been paid if he'd sold the wheels on the car, I'd like to think so. He sure responded very quickly when I asked for the wheels back. I had them within 15 hours of me contacting him at 11:30 on a Sunday night. And I don't care anyone's opinion on how stupid I was in my dealings or whatever. As I said, it was not just some business deal to me. It was two 928ers helping each other out & I am appreciative of his helping me, whatever his reasons for doing so.

I don't know the other situation, I've heard both sides now. I think of you both as friends, Tarek too. I hope it somehow works out for everyone. Perhaps miscommunications, perhaps, in writing would at least clear that up, same could certainly be said for my situation. I am not involved with any of that. Good Luck to all three of you.

The '79 does look like a nice canidate. Of course any $7k car would be prudent to have a ppi, no matter who is selling or buying.

Fabio421

And thats why Mel is the President of the FL 928'ers. What a classy guy.

(btw Mel, I didn't name you. I'm sorry you felt the need to reply and I undersand why you did)

MGW-Fla

Oh I know you didn't name me & I didn't even think that I was the other situation that you mentioned. But Michael must have thought I was, & he mentioned my name & asked me to comment. No biggie. Sorry I went the novel route, but figured I'd tell my whole side & be done with it.