Notices
928 Forum 1978-1995
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: 928 Specialists

Fluid replacement for manual tranmission

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-10-2008, 02:49 PM
  #1  
Giovanni
Race Car
Thread Starter
 
Giovanni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Alabama
Posts: 4,269
Received 25 Likes on 19 Posts
Default Fluid replacement for manual tranmission

Anyone has a good write-up? How many quarts? Fluid type?

Also, what is the best fluid type/brand for a open differential? How many quarts?

Thanks,
Old 02-10-2008, 07:37 PM
  #2  
Jim M.
Rennlist Member
 
Jim M.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: DFW Texas
Posts: 5,009
Received 853 Likes on 442 Posts
Default

Drain both the trans and the diff. You need a 17mm hex "L" wrench or socket wrench. When drained completly, reinstall plugs and fill until it comes out the fill port, which is the correct level when the car is on a level surface. IIRC you need a gallon of the prefered fluid.
Old 02-10-2008, 07:41 PM
  #3  
RyanPerrella
Nordschleife Master
 
RyanPerrella's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Beverly Hills, CA
Posts: 8,929
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

try a search I am pretty sure this has been covered.

Pretty straightforward. The only issue is that it takes awhile to pump in 4 liters of fluid into the case. Other then that its no different from an oil change. Oh and dont f-up the drain plug and torque it correctly. (torque specs are the same for the automatic plugs as well, you may find those specs before you see them for a manual due to rarity with manuals.)
Old 02-10-2008, 09:12 PM
  #4  
Tampa 928s
Race Car
 
Tampa 928s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tampa Florida
Posts: 4,089
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Make sure you remove the fill hole open first "top one"or you will be sorry you didn't.
Old 02-10-2008, 10:00 PM
  #5  
Giovanni
Race Car
Thread Starter
 
Giovanni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Alabama
Posts: 4,269
Received 25 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

lol, I remember someone else also posting that.

Should I go with redline, purple, mobil1 or just the conventiional oil?
Old 02-10-2008, 10:29 PM
  #6  
Rob Edwards
Archive Gatekeeper
Rennlist Member
 
Rob Edwards's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 17,558
Received 2,752 Likes on 1,336 Posts
Default

4.5 quarts of Redline 75W90 in my '90 will fill it just to the bottom of the upper drain hole, and starts overflowing. Dunno when the drain plugs changed from 17mm hex to 10 mm hex, but mine are 10 mm. IIRC torque on the drain plugs is 16 ft lbs, same as all the rear cover bolts.
Old 02-10-2008, 10:41 PM
  #7  
FlyingDog
Nordschleife Master
 
FlyingDog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Not close enough to VIR.
Posts: 9,429
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Giovanni
Should I go with redline, purple, mobil1 or just the conventiional oil?
Find a synchro safe GL-5 oil. Redline, Royal Purple, and Mobil 1 are popular choices. Heinrich didn't like the new M1 formulation last time he changed it. I am happy using Redline now, but I think I'll try RP next time since I bought a few gallons of 75W90 for my Jeep.
Old 02-11-2008, 01:21 AM
  #8  
928ntslow
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
928ntslow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 4,172
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

To answer the fluid type question, I have tried all 3 and can tell you that the only decent stuff for our tranny's is the Redline. The Mobil One is not so good for the tranny synchros and makes it too tough to shift...even after warm up. The Royal Purple is OK once the tranny has heated up...until then, good luck shiffting into any gear and not grinding gears in the process. Redline is nirvana. from the get go, it has the correct properties to allow for smooth shifting as it has some nice funk in there to coat the synchros. After the tranny warms it's like a hot knife through butter. Redline allows the quickest shifts from what I have found.
Old 02-11-2008, 09:56 AM
  #9  
Mike Frye
Craic Head
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
Mike Frye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jersey Shore, USA
Posts: 8,795
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

+1 on the Redline, when I first got my car this was one of the first things I did and I did a bit of research on here. I picked the Redline and it's good stuff.

My first shift into 2nd gear on really cold mornings is a little tough but all other gears and all other times are smooth as butter. I have no doubt that my tranny is original and never rebuilt and it's still smooth after over 210k miles.

Some people put a hose up through a hole by the battery and fill it from the rear hatch with a funnel, but there's room above the tranny for a quart of stuff if you have a filler with a shut off. Also, if your garage is cold, warm up the oil bottles first or it will take FOREVER!!!
Old 02-11-2008, 10:08 AM
  #10  
cdbtx
Pro
 
cdbtx's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Mill Creek, Wa
Posts: 628
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Try the Redline 75W90NS.
Old 02-11-2008, 12:22 PM
  #11  
byrdman454
Rennlist Member
 
byrdman454's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 1,094
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 1 Post
Default

Some info on the net says that the 75W90NS is good for manual transmissions, but not approved for limited slip applications unless it is spinning too much under racing conditions. The 75W90 is approved for limied slip apps, but might allow gear clash if used with manual transmissions. Which version is best for the Porsche 5-speed with limited slip?
Old 02-11-2008, 12:30 PM
  #12  
Vilhuer
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Vilhuer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Posts: 9,378
Likes: 0
Received 60 Likes on 33 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by byrdman454
Which version is best for the Porsche 5-speed with limited slip?
For 928 manual transmission 1/3 of one Redline stuff and 2/3 of another. I can't never remember if its 1/3 or 2/3 NS version. There should be correct mixture mentioned in archives.
Old 02-12-2008, 09:46 AM
  #13  
Giovanni
Race Car
Thread Starter
 
Giovanni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Alabama
Posts: 4,269
Received 25 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

So you should use a combination of 75W90 and 75W90NS in a limited slip transmission??? I thought all transmission were the same and the differential is what makes the difference.

Is it safe to say all manual transmission should use 75W90 and use a combination of 75W90 and 75W90NS in the differential if its an LSD?
Old 02-12-2008, 10:34 AM
  #14  
Vilhuer
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Vilhuer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Posts: 9,378
Likes: 0
Received 60 Likes on 33 Posts
Default

Since gearbox and diff side share same fluid its always compromise and neither can use stuff which would be best possible fluid to use. Using one or another will both result less than perfect results. All NS is too much for other part while not having any at all is bad for another. I can't ever remember if it syncros or LSD which needs NS and which one of them doesn't like it if there is too much of it. Its all in archives.
Old 02-12-2008, 12:45 PM
  #15  
Lizard928
Nordschleife Master
 
Lizard928's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Abbotsford B.C.
Posts: 9,600
Received 34 Likes on 25 Posts
Default

from my research the NS is what the syncros like, but it can cause LSD clutch chatter (not good)

I plan on trying the NS stuff with some GM LSD additive as I have found it works wonders for stopping LSD clutch chatter.

Back in the 70s though they used whale sperm in LSD diffs to prevent LSD clutch chatter. How many of you knew that?


Quick Reply: Fluid replacement for manual tranmission



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 05:52 PM.