Airflite40

I never stated or even implied that the engine pic I compared it to was a EURO S engine, or even a US spec engine when MPDano's engine is neither of those.

I noticed something out of place and I posted that pic to show him what I was referring to since at first he didn't get it.

Why would I post a pic of a different engine when trying to show a new owner that I saw something out of place on his car?

I am FULLY aware that the car is incorrectly labeled as a EURO S on chuck's site, but I have learned enough in my 5 years of rennlist to know that it is a NON S EURO car and that is why I used a pic of its engine since its the same model that MPDano has.

I seriously doubt that this intake tube was on the car since new, I think that somehow the original was lost or damaged and replaced with a EURO S intake runner since those (believe it or not) are more common in the US than NON S euro cars.

What effects 1 mismatched intake runner would have I'm not sure, but I know I would not run my car like that....

Paul D

If it helps, here is a pic of a '82 Euro S (M28.11) motor. Why would only one intake tube be replaced? Possibly the injector needed to be replaced and the original tube was either damaged during the removal process or they just replaced the whole tube because they could not remove the old injector (I'm just guessing here). The only issue I could see running the engine is that the intake on cylinder #6 has slightly less resistance than the other 7 cylinders. It might make the engine run slighlty unbalanced (don't know if it would be seat of pants detectable or not)

largecar379

It's OK Borys.........

I just didn't know that you had pulled the pic from Chuck's registry.

You are correct in pointing out that the tube is out-of-place.

Now that all of that is settled, I have looked back at PET and other sources to reacquaint my memory as correct in that the 4.5L Euro's used the same tubes and plenum as the US spec 4.5L cars......

And yes, again, I have 4 sets of intakes to reference:

1 4.5L US spec M28/03 (currently in a box)
2 4.5L Euro spec M28/09 (currently under the Christmas tree @ Dad's--powdercoated RED, and one in a box)
1 4.7L Euro spec M28/11 (currently on my car)

It's really too bad we don't have 3-d vision on these monitors...we could all get a better view of what we're trying to figure out!!!!

Thanks for the help Borys----glad you're looking at the details.

--Russ

evozine

Hello MPDano,

Congrats on the red car. I too considered picking up this car- In fact Mr. GST and I talked about when it showed up on craigslist. I haven't owned a Porsche before, but I have this crazy idea that I can get one for a good price, as you did. .

Once you get it running and looking great, please do me the favor of showing us your updated car. I think it will motivate me to find another one.

I think a straight bodied 928 of any year is a steal for $700 dollars... Good luck:

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MPDano

Thanks evozine! On a cruise right now so the restore process begins when I return. This list is great and I am learning a whole lot from it!

brutus

Most $700 928s are a liability not an asset. Try to get it running smogged and registered spending as little as possible to get it there. Then after you have driven it decide if you really like the car and wish to invest many thousands of dollars making it nicer. As a decent running driving car it is maybe worth $3,500 but getting it to that point will cost far more than that. Good luck with the car.

MPDano

I have been seeing a lot of negativity in some posts. I guess the way I see things is not the cost to get there, but the adventure and experience I gain. I also love a challenge and hate to see a once quality car become one mans Pick a Part car. I'm an optimistic and a forward positive thinker. I was once a President of a Club and hard time getting forward thinking ideas past a very "non-change" Board. Funny how after I stepped down as Prez after completing my year, and the following year they decided that my ideas were great and then were implemented. When I was a young teen, I took a $400 Triumph TR7 and put maybe $200 into it and sold it for $2000. I guess I'll just keep being positive about the project and keep learning new things from all you 928 Vets on this list. You guys rule!!

largecar379

you will get many opinions here and elsewhere as to what's a "buy" and what's a "scare".

I'm with you on challenges, as long as you have a realistic (maybe) plan as to what you want to achieve.

Agreed it is so sad that Porsche's flagship has just not been more appreciated that it is......

--Russ

MrGST

I completely agree with you. As I mentioned earlier, you beat me to it. I thought it would be a really challenging but fun project. What part of town are you in? I'm in south Carlsbad and would love to see it sometime.

MPDano

Hi MrGST,

I am in the East County "El Cajon" and it would be my pleasure for you to take a looksy sometime. I may pull one of the heads this weekend and see what I got. Although if it rains like projected, I may be spending a Blockbuster weekend indoors.

Jim bailey - 928 International

Ah ..."I may pull one of the heads this weekend and see what I got. " Why would you want to do this ? The engines are quite good and reliable some go 300,000- 400,000 miles without a rebuild . Get it running so you can see IF things like the transmission actually work. As I recall the none running problem was thought to be a bad ignition switch....think positive the engine is probably just fine !

MPDano

I have to. I guess I posted what I have found in another post, but I pulled all the plugs and found that one looked out of the ordinary. It was cleaner than the rest and was wet. I am suspecting a blown head gasket or head warp. Not sure and the history was that it was overheating. After pulling all the plugs, the engine still wont turn via crank pulley bolt. I put Marvell Mystery Oil before I left on Vacation and was going to try and turn it this weekend. Thus, why I was going to pull one of the heads. As far as the ignition switch, it was toast by the previous owner when they took the pod apart to replace a new key tumbler, so I ordered a new one.

Jim bailey - 928 International

OK the engine is locked up ....now I understand.

MPDano

Well, tried to turn the motor during a rainy weather break today and no joy. Still frozen. Looks like I'll be pulling the head (left) this weekend. Hopefully it's not raining again. It's not supposed to rain in Southern Cali

MPDano

Here we go, my first Sunny California Weekend to pull the suspect Cylinder Head. Here are some pics of the progress and yes it took me ALL day to remove the Cylinder Head. Probably would have been easier to rent a Cherry Picker and pulled the engine out of the car then work on it.




Exactly as I thought, some rust buildup from a leaky cylinder.




I can't believe how hard it was to remove the bolts on the valve covers. Hence, would have been easier with engine out of car.








Nice oil n coolant mix.






Suspect Cylinder!