Notices
928 Forum 1978-1995
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: 928 Specialists

Total power loss

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-09-2007, 02:42 PM
  #1  
rmr25
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
rmr25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 124
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Total power loss

I've just replaced a rear main seal (Many thanks to Bill Ball for his exceptional write-up and some extra-curricular guidance Bill gave me himself!) After hooking up the ground strap at the hatch wingnut location, there was nothing. No courtesy lights (hatch open), no power at ignition switch, no start. Prior to the starter removal, the power and starting circuits always worked fine.

I then searched the Forum and found an earlier long thread started by Tomcat a year or so ago with the same problem. I checked several things suggested there, including the one saying:

1. Disconnect main cable at starter.
2. Check between unfastened cable and ground. Should be battery volts. In my case: 1.7 v.
3. Test starter at battery cable lug and ground. If 0 ohms, there's the problem. In my case, infinite resistance: open circuit.

So, with that, I then tested the battery-to-starter cable. It showed 0 ohms, which I think means it's ok. I have two ground straps and both tested good.

I'd cleaned all the grounds about six months ago, and also removed and cleaned all the fuses and relays as part of routine electrical maintenance.

So where should I go now? (Other than off the nearest cliff!)
Old 12-09-2007, 04:45 PM
  #2  
Garth S
Rennlist Member
 
Garth S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,210
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 13 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rmr25
...... I checked several things suggested there, including the one saying:

1. Disconnect main cable at starter.
2. Check between unfastened cable and ground. Should be battery volts. In my case: 1.7 v.
3. Test starter at battery cable lug and ground. If 0 ohms, there's the problem. In my case, infinite resistance: open circuit.

So, with that, I then tested the battery-to-starter cable. It showed 0 ohms, which I think means it's ok. I have two ground straps and both tested good. .....
re. 3) .... the B+ post on the starter solenoid should read infinite resistance to ground with the battery supply cable disconnected ..... for when the key is turned to the start position, the solenoid closes and connects the B+ to ground through the starter motor: I would be concerned about a major fire had you read 0 ohms

Re. 2 ....if the DMM reads 1.7V, either the battery is truly @ 1.7v, or there is a severly poor connection in either the ground or B+ ( supply line to the starter). A resistance test will tell you nothing unless there is a clean break in a wire - for one intact strand within a large cable will still read 0 ohms. A voltage drop test is far more telling.

What does the battery read at both terminals? Then, what does it read at the cable connectors to both terminals? What is the voltage drop from the -ve terminal to chassis ground? etc ....
Old 12-09-2007, 05:27 PM
  #3  
Mrmerlin
Team Owner
 
Mrmerlin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Philly PA
Posts: 28,335
Received 2,495 Likes on 1,404 Posts
Default

I would disconnect the battery and charge it while thats happening clean both of the battery posts and terminals as well as the ground connection also disconnect the hot post connection including the 11mm bolt that holds the wires and the 14 pin connector clean these with a pink eraser. Also clean and make sure the starter power stud is not messed up ,IE when you removed the strter did you wind up turning the 13mm nut and see the whole wire bundle turn? You may have damaged the solenoid.
After cleaning the wires and charging the battery attach a wire to the hot post and touch it to the small wire connection on the starter( you did refit the small wire to the correct small post on the starter ??) this could also be your problem as there might be 2 small posts that you could fit the small wire to.
Anyway by touching the 12 volt hot to the small post the starter should engage, make sure not to touch anything else with the hot wire as it wont be fused.
Old 12-10-2007, 10:49 AM
  #4  
rmr25
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
rmr25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 124
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Guys:

Power is back. Quite frankly, I have almost no idea where it came from. Overnight I charged the battery. It read 12.93 v. I got 12.73v at the end of the black battery-to-starter cable to ground. Which was not the case before. I then hooked up everything at the starter terminals. Then, remembering something Alan or somebody said, I tapped the starter with a hammer a couple of times ("to make sure the solenoid wire is floating"), whatever that means. With the rear ground strap in place, on came the lights and now the starter turns fine.

Thanks for helping me.

Bob



Quick Reply: Total power loss



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 01:23 PM.