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Old 03-24-2013, 10:40 AM
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OK - So we are at 3?: 2? for Keith and 1 for Ron.

Odd - I imagine just about every one of these is non-functional by now... Does anyone have a 20+ year old gas cap lid that still locks perfectly & ratchets correctly when locked?

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Iv,e got one Alan, cars 32 years old now, Iv,e owned it 21 years and it,s still working so the caps at least 21 years old..., (hope I,m not tempting fate ) If so , I,ll blame you

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Old 03-24-2013, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 9two8 View Post
Iv,e got one Alan, cars 32 years old now, Iv,e owned it 21 years and it,s still working so the caps at least 21 years old..., (hope I,m not tempting fate ) If so , I,ll blame you

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Ken - you've done it now...!!

Seriously - any secrets to share? do you normally keep it unlocked? (seems thats the low stress position)

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Old 03-24-2013, 11:45 AM
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Ken - you've done it now...!!

Seriously - any secrets to share? do you normally keep it unlocked? (seems thats the low stress position)

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.... good point Alan, yes I do keep it normally unlocked, only after a friend of mine quite a few years back, had an unlocking problem with his 928 cap, since then I keep it unlocked, but I do lock it when I feel it necessary, although I only ever tighten it to the first "click" you hear when screwing it down ? maybe a bit less stress on it ??

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Old 03-24-2013, 03:41 PM
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Keeping it unlocked is the main thing - but then its really functionally little better than a busted one.

The usual failure mechanism (and I can't imagine how it could fail otherwise) is failing from locked to unlocked.

The terminology is oddball here:

Functionally locked (can't open the gas cap) is when the two parts do not lock together - & rotate freely.

Functionally unlocked (can tighten & open the gas cap ) is when the two parts ratchet one way & lock together the other way.

So what I meant was - it will fail from functionally locked to functionally unlocked

Not sure the ratcheting has much impact. You can only ratchet it when functionally unlocked and in this case the weak part of the pawl is not under any direct stress.

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Old 03-24-2013, 06:05 PM
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Well - busy time - I sent out 7 of these this weekend and temporarily have none left now - resupply on the way from jp so still taking orders if you need them - assume a few weeks until service is resumed...

1 each to Glenn, Jake & Mike and 2 each to Ray & Herman.

I already have at least one pending order - expecting a few more.

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Old 03-24-2013, 06:07 PM
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I need to PM you about this as well... I have an old one that is semi working.

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PM me with name & address and I will put you on the list!

928SG - thats not Sterling is it...?

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Old 03-25-2013, 12:30 AM
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Alan,
A batch of 16 is en route as we speak. Slow boat, but will get there eventually. Funny how you get clusters of demand.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:14 PM
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Thanks jp.

I keep meaning to ask you - what is the building in your avatar?

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Now you have opened a can of worms.

Faisaliah Tower , Riyadh

My car was originally owned by Prince Abdul-Aziz bin Abdullah, son of the current king. I have original factory invoice for it (a bit faded now). Its RHD, as it was first imported into UK (C16 spec), spent ~8-9 years there, then out to Riyadh. Being a prince, a RHD car in a strictly LHD country was not an issue. I found it in a used car yard on consignment while I was working there in 2001. It wasnt in very good running condition, and interior was a bit tired (esp seats), but the underside was almost unmarked, body straight, so I spent 3 months haggling on the price. I made a deal conditional on being able to transfer it to me and keep it road registered, whcih eventually came through. It was registered to one of the prince's minders, so I am really the second owner.
Was stopped several times by traffic police because it was RHD, and they had trouble believing it was legal in a foreigner's hands - once it took at least 40mins to clear me....because their walkie-talkies were flat , and somebody had to drive to the nearest police station to check with DMV.
Other fun part was with the wife in the left hand seat (in a black robe, against the all white interior), people thought she was driving, which is not legal there - great fun watching them freak out for a bit.

Note that originally I had a url in here to point you at wikipedia on the tower, but with that code in the text, I was getting the 'must wait 30secs between posts' error. Works ok without the url...???

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Old 03-25-2013, 09:05 PM
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Alan, if you're open to people ordering up additional metal pawls, count me in for two. AFAIK both my caps lock, though I've never actually tried to lock them.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:32 PM
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Rob - sure - though with all the other work you have done I have a very hard time imagining you haven't tried to lock your gas caps - shame on you...

BTW to all who will be adding a metal pawl.. one you start trying to get the cap apart you realize a few things..

1) You need at least one more hand

2) Hot water is your friend

3) The red plastic is really tough but also really uncoperative

4) Somebody should make a tool to make this easier...

Then you realize that once you fix this one you won't ever need that tool again

So it isn't worth making one ... of course everyone thinks this so there isn't a tool...

However - I dont think it would be that hard to make - for some of you anyway...
I imagine a 3 armed tool that would stretch the red shell locking tabs over the white ridge

3 curved parts of the right thicknees At 120 degrees spacing - perhaps with locating teeth at the end - you line it up push it in tight and push the lock barre to slide the white part out towards the hub of the arms...

So who would be willing to make one, test it, and eventually donate to the common cause...? If you make it I'm sure we can get it added to the 928OC's tool loaner program so owners have a better option... And you will be famous forever (maybe...)

There is another benefit to a propper easy to use tool - if you have at it with pry tools, screwdrivers, knives etc - you will end up nicking up the tabs and then it won't rotate as smoothly when its locked - risking poor locking qualities ...

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Old 03-26-2013, 04:09 PM
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Rob - sure - though with all the other work you have done I have a very hard time imagining you haven't tried to lock your gas caps - shame on you...

BTW to all who will be adding a metal pawl.. one you start trying to get the cap apart you realize a few things..

1) You need at least one more hand

2) Hot water is your friend

3) The red plastic is really tough but also really uncoperative

4) Somebody should make a tool to make this easier...

Then you realize that once you fix this one you won't ever need that tool again

So it isn't worth making one ... of course everyone thinks this so there isn't a tool...

However - I dont think it would be that hard to make - for some of you anyway...
I imagine a 3 armed tool that would stretch the red shell locking tabs over the white ridge

3 curved parts of the right thicknees At 120 degrees spacing - perhaps with locating teeth at the end - you line it up push it in tight and push the lock barre to slide the white part out towards the hub of the arms...

So who would be willing to make one, test it, and eventually donate to the common cause...? If you make it I'm sure we can get it added to the 928OC's tool loaner program so owners have a better option... And you will be famous forever (maybe...)

There is another benefit to a propper easy to use tool - if you have at it with pry tools, screwdrivers, knives etc - you will end up nicking up the tabs and then it won't rotate as smoothly when its locked - risking poor locking qualities ...

Alan
..., gonna send mine to you Alan, if it goes wrong

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Old 04-06-2013, 12:55 PM
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JP - 16 more pawls arrived yesterday! Quick!

Just as well because the one I sent to Jake - Ducman aparently got ripped right out of the envelope end by the USPS processing equipment... nice!

Expecially since I had to pay extra postage because they would be treated as a parcel and not able to use mechanized sorting equipment... (Yeah Right)...

See https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...eferrerid=6055
At least it seems Ray got his OK... rest of you ? did these come through unscathed?

I will be sending out some more soon - with some different packaging TBD

Any more orders?

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Old 04-06-2013, 02:16 PM
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Alan,
Mine arrived, but was also mangled by the USPS sorting equipment. If you had not taped the pawl to the paper insert it would now be part of the USPS sorting equipment as both the envelope and paper insert were perforated.
Thanks again for taking the time and effort to send these out!
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OK so tally so far 3 made it (more or less OK...) , 1 became one with the sorting room floor and 3 others are yet to be accounted for...

I'm going to have to switch to padded bags or boxes for round 2...

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