Freeze 12 Vrs R12 for A/C
06-22-2003, 01:13 PM
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Freeze 12 Vrs R12 for A/C
<a href="http://www.freeze-12.com/" target="_blank">http://www.freeze-12.com/</a>
I heard this stuff is an EPA approved replacement for R12. I did a search on the web and came across this site. Does anyone know the "inside scoop" on this stuff?.
New! Freeze 12 complete "Quick-charge kit" Contains: 3 (12oz) cans of Freeze 12, 1 Freeze 12 can-tap, 1 charging hose, 1 pair of Freeze 12 high and low-side service port fittings (which fit directly over R-12 service fittings) and a Freeze 12 system label. $59.95 (plus 4.00 shipping)
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I heard this stuff is an EPA approved replacement for R12. I did a search on the web and came across this site. Does anyone know the "inside scoop" on this stuff?.
New! Freeze 12 complete "Quick-charge kit" Contains: 3 (12oz) cans of Freeze 12, 1 Freeze 12 can-tap, 1 charging hose, 1 pair of Freeze 12 high and low-side service port fittings (which fit directly over R-12 service fittings) and a Freeze 12 system label. $59.95 (plus 4.00 shipping)
As taken from Web Site
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06-22-2003, 02:02 PM
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Drew:
From the EPA - Freeze 12 is 80% R134a, 20% 142b. Approved for use subject to replacement of fittings, labeling, and no drop-in use (i.e. full recovery/recharge required).
In other words, you're doing an R-134a conversion.
Looks like the kit has the basics, if you have an R-12 recovery unit or can get it done for you and will retrofit the system for R-134a. If you don't want to retrofit, this isn't the ticket.
I guess I'm in favor of using straight-up R-134a, but as replacements go, this stuff and kit is better than most and not nearly as frightening as some of the Pep-Boys alternatives.
By the way, that's a beautiful engine.
From the EPA - Freeze 12 is 80% R134a, 20% 142b. Approved for use subject to replacement of fittings, labeling, and no drop-in use (i.e. full recovery/recharge required).
In other words, you're doing an R-134a conversion.
Looks like the kit has the basics, if you have an R-12 recovery unit or can get it done for you and will retrofit the system for R-134a. If you don't want to retrofit, this isn't the ticket.
I guess I'm in favor of using straight-up R-134a, but as replacements go, this stuff and kit is better than most and not nearly as frightening as some of the Pep-Boys alternatives.
By the way, that's a beautiful engine.
06-22-2003, 07:10 PM
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This has been beat to death. Do some research - just do a search in the archives.
There are some very good reasons to NOT use the replacement refrigerants.
There are some very good reasons to NOT use the replacement refrigerants.
06-22-2003, 07:11 PM
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Drew,
Lucky you. I just did my homework on replacement refrigerants.
Look into FreeZone (or Free Zone) RB-276 refrigerant. It is much the same as Freeze-12, except it includes an oil which is compatable with R12 AND R134a, which insures the longevity of your compressor. It requires no system changes and is about as close to a drop-in replacement as you will find.
Lucky you. I just did my homework on replacement refrigerants.
Look into FreeZone (or Free Zone) RB-276 refrigerant. It is much the same as Freeze-12, except it includes an oil which is compatable with R12 AND R134a, which insures the longevity of your compressor. It requires no system changes and is about as close to a drop-in replacement as you will find.
06-22-2003, 08:52 PM
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Another thing to consider is, Even if the manufacturer says the Freeze 12 is compatible with both types of oils, WHAT percentage of affinity does the new refrigerant has for the oils. Meaning, the new Freeze 12 may not have good oil circulation in the system. This being said it may cool the appliance (In this instance a car), but with less oil circulation, seals, orings or compressors may not last but a year or so. Secondly the condensor may become oil laden and not do the work it was spec'd out to do.
There is alot to consider before taking a manufacturer's statement to heart. Their job is to make money. If there is a down side, they will say nothing about it. Hopefully you choose to stay with the R12.
There is alot to consider before taking a manufacturer's statement to heart. Their job is to make money. If there is a down side, they will say nothing about it. Hopefully you choose to stay with the R12.
