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01-14-2003, 01:12 PM
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Brent,
Those new parts are from Delta P Power, a new 'player' in the game. I don't think anything is official with them as far as a kit goes, but the hardware sure is nice.
Randy
87 S4 Auto Black/Black
Supercharged & Intercooled
Those new parts are from Delta P Power, a new 'player' in the game. I don't think anything is official with them as far as a kit goes, but the hardware sure is nice.
Randy
87 S4 Auto Black/Black
Supercharged & Intercooled
01-14-2003, 01:59 PM
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Burning Brakes
Hey Brent,
Not so FAST - hehehe
If you think that those were the only problems associated with existing kits, you would be up for more disappointment.
The Delta P goal is for a "turnkey" supercharger setup, complete with a full instruction manual for bolting up to a 928. The first assembly of parts is based around S4 engine designs. This will be followed by a modified package for the S3. If that all proves to be successful, we should see a redesigned package to address the 16V engines.
Delta P, which Randy has eluded to, has been watching this ongoing supercharger issue for quite some time. There were other issues with existing kits that needed to be addressed and they are being nailed down 1 by 1.
If you currently own a FAST kit, it may be possible to obtain some of the parts to update your existing setup to Delta specs. It would be up to Delta to release those parts.
For those of you that are planning a fresh install, I would wait until Delta has addressed the remaining issues with existing kits. I know of other problems that really have to be "delta'd" with.
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Not so FAST - hehehe
If you think that those were the only problems associated with existing kits, you would be up for more disappointment.
The Delta P goal is for a "turnkey" supercharger setup, complete with a full instruction manual for bolting up to a 928. The first assembly of parts is based around S4 engine designs. This will be followed by a modified package for the S3. If that all proves to be successful, we should see a redesigned package to address the 16V engines.
Delta P, which Randy has eluded to, has been watching this ongoing supercharger issue for quite some time. There were other issues with existing kits that needed to be addressed and they are being nailed down 1 by 1.
If you currently own a FAST kit, it may be possible to obtain some of the parts to update your existing setup to Delta specs. It would be up to Delta to release those parts.
For those of you that are planning a fresh install, I would wait until Delta has addressed the remaining issues with existing kits. I know of other problems that really have to be "delta'd" with.
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01-14-2003, 03:29 PM
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Bernie,
Your post doesn't add any value here. Facts are all that mattern not unsubstantiated opinions. Only Wally and a few others have the credibility with the List to shortcut to opinions, the rest of us have to resort to FACTS. What are the "other" problems?
Your post doesn't add any value here. Facts are all that mattern not unsubstantiated opinions. Only Wally and a few others have the credibility with the List to shortcut to opinions, the rest of us have to resort to FACTS. What are the "other" problems?
01-14-2003, 04:05 PM
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Thanks Gretch <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
I agree, the LAST thing we need is more propoganda.
Bernie, Mind telling us who runs this "Delta P" operation?
This is what I heard from FAST via email;
""I appreciate the time you took to address this to us.
Just to clarify, there were no issues with the earlier
kits: Tim's a hydro-involved engineer and he was the
first to question the over-driving of the PS pulley:
we resolved this years ago with a larger PS pulley to
maintain Porsche's original ratio of speed. Also, the
drag on the PS is no more than it had before the
blower and there have been no PS failure's reported at
any point in time.
The first few brackets were hand-cut and welded,
whereas the blower's weight resided on the welds.
None of these brackets have ever failed, nor have we
ever received complaints about them "flexing". Marcus
has strengthened his by adding an additional support,
for which he felt was necessar after someone reported
it flexing after they "stood on it". Tim's brackets
are the first ever cut/used, and he's never reported
any issues as such, but even so, we now inter-key the
4 pieces for extra strength, so there's no issues to
discuss for the last 2+ years.
The kits are VERY easy to install: but, since the
928's were never designed to be boosted as far as the
intake manifold is concerned, check valves and/or
breathers need to be installed so that you don't
inadvertently pressurize the crank case. This is the
most time-consuming part as many lines are brittle
with age and hard to get to. Other than that, it's
very simple to install and tune our kits based upon
the instructions given in our 20 page manual (with
Pictures!
Setting fuel pressure and establishing safe air/fuel
ratios is easy with our manual, and we've had nothing
but compliments on all but the over-boosted cars where
air/fuel gets tricky above 8psi once the heat
increases. Tim and Marcus had to work on different
belt-tensioning techniques due to the boost they
required. Our system was designed so the average
customer could not accidentally over-boost their motor
unless they contacted us first or went and redesigned
the tensioner. Fuel needs are easy, though a
good-working mass-air is a necessity (as Tim found out
with much dismay).
Intercooling becomes important after you reach 8psi,
but at that point, your're addinng more than 150+
extra HP to your motor. We recommend this to prolong
the life of your mass-air as well as the security
blanket it provides by cooling the air and reducing
detonation potential. None of our customers complain
of detonation or have damaged a motor due to
detonation.
I hope this helps a bit, feel free to post this.
Mark ""
NOW, who has actual experience one way or the other regarding this?
Randy, Do you have anything to add now that FAST has spoken? Did you share with them any of your trials?
It sounds good but I remain a little skeptical. Not in the sense that I could not bolt it on, or tune it, but maybe just that the parts provided do not measure up to Porsche standards.
As I re-read some of this, Randy admittedly has an early kit. Fast claims to have made changes. That sounds good
Do we have anybody in the audience with a more recent FAST kit???????? Beuller....., Beuller....., Beuller............?
I agree, the LAST thing we need is more propoganda.
Bernie, Mind telling us who runs this "Delta P" operation?
This is what I heard from FAST via email;
""I appreciate the time you took to address this to us.
Just to clarify, there were no issues with the earlier
kits: Tim's a hydro-involved engineer and he was the
first to question the over-driving of the PS pulley:
we resolved this years ago with a larger PS pulley to
maintain Porsche's original ratio of speed. Also, the
drag on the PS is no more than it had before the
blower and there have been no PS failure's reported at
any point in time.
The first few brackets were hand-cut and welded,
whereas the blower's weight resided on the welds.
None of these brackets have ever failed, nor have we
ever received complaints about them "flexing". Marcus
has strengthened his by adding an additional support,
for which he felt was necessar after someone reported
it flexing after they "stood on it". Tim's brackets
are the first ever cut/used, and he's never reported
any issues as such, but even so, we now inter-key the
4 pieces for extra strength, so there's no issues to
discuss for the last 2+ years.
The kits are VERY easy to install: but, since the
928's were never designed to be boosted as far as the
intake manifold is concerned, check valves and/or
breathers need to be installed so that you don't
inadvertently pressurize the crank case. This is the
most time-consuming part as many lines are brittle
with age and hard to get to. Other than that, it's
very simple to install and tune our kits based upon
the instructions given in our 20 page manual (with
Pictures!
Setting fuel pressure and establishing safe air/fuel
ratios is easy with our manual, and we've had nothing
but compliments on all but the over-boosted cars where
air/fuel gets tricky above 8psi once the heat
increases. Tim and Marcus had to work on different
belt-tensioning techniques due to the boost they
required. Our system was designed so the average
customer could not accidentally over-boost their motor
unless they contacted us first or went and redesigned
the tensioner.
Fuel needs are easy, though agood-working mass-air is a necessity (as Tim found out
with much dismay).
Intercooling becomes important after you reach 8psi,
but at that point, your're addinng more than 150+
extra HP to your motor. We recommend this to prolong
the life of your mass-air as well as the security
blanket it provides by cooling the air and reducing
detonation potential. None of our customers complain
of detonation or have damaged a motor due to
detonation.
I hope this helps a bit, feel free to post this.
Mark ""
NOW, who has actual experience one way or the other regarding this?
Randy, Do you have anything to add now that FAST has spoken? Did you share with them any of your trials?
It sounds good but I remain a little skeptical. Not in the sense that I could not bolt it on, or tune it, but maybe just that the parts provided do not measure up to Porsche standards.
As I re-read some of this, Randy admittedly has an early kit. Fast claims to have made changes. That sounds good
Do we have anybody in the audience with a more recent FAST kit???????? Beuller....., Beuller....., Beuller............?
01-14-2003, 08:48 PM
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Response from Mark R. Of FAST. ON the 928 message board.
Re: FAST 928 kit dissucion on Rennlist (you'll love this: long too)
(((Yes, we've seen some of the posting regarding Erik's grenading of the white car. Since he's responsible for this, and it's NOT our "kit" or tuning, but our brackets & pulleys stolen from Erik, we aboslutely assume no responsibliy and have quite a record of warning Mr. Dyer about the upcoming fate of his car, for over 7 months now.
Here's my last email to Joe from last week:
I've not had time to read all the threads, though Marc Reviel read quite a bit last night and was intrigued by the support Erik still receives.
"10 928's awaiting service". Man...
Feel free to post this text on the board if you wish, I didn't even have time to write this!
Also, make no mistake, the parts you have on your car that are indeed ours are stolen from Erik. He has never paid for either kit he has of ours, and refuses to pay over, and over. The bracket and pulley specs are also stolen as we have proof of his replication, as well as all the secrets to making the kit work on the 928 (I guess he lost those.
Just to refresh your memory, here's how this thief (Erik) exposed himself:
This is your exact email you sent to me (us) on August 28, 2002:
"Hi,
I need to know about the new supercharger brackets. Have they been
re-designed? Did the new design have to be re-designed? If so, when
will
the new brackets be available?
Reason I'm asking is that Eric Munck is apparently trying to complete
my
supercharger installation and I keep getting re-design and slippages in
the
schedule.
I really need to know what's going on here. Any feedback will be
appreciated.
Sincerely,
Joe Dyer"
Here was my immediate response to you on the same day:
"Hi Joe.
Uh, we have never sold any kits to Eric Munck/"Projeckt928." The only way to get our kits is to order from us or PowerHaus.
There are no re-design issues with our brackets and never were. We finished our current design well over 3 years ago.
Call us if you have any questions, I'd be happy to brief you on our kits & current customers. (512-699-7200- Marc Reviel)
Mark Robinson, FAST."
Then after you inquired about issues with Eric we replied with:
"Joe, you really don't know the 1/10th of it! Have you discovered the website dedicated to his alias names and countless lawsuits? You really need to call David Sarten before writing any checks. David (eric's only customer) had to Pay 20k to get his car REPOSESSED back from eric, unfinished, untuned, though eric claims it was running and dyno'd 500rwhp. David's car 4 months later still is not right to drive everyday, still "un-engineering" all Eric's mistakes."
Please let everyone know that Erik lied to you about us "taking too long to redesign the brackets". That was an open lie to the highest degree. We long since redesigned our brackets (long before "someone" stated that ours flexed) for a stronger profile. Even if a few initial brackets flexed a bit, it's irrelevant, nobody has ever complained about it and none have ever broke. Regardless, Erik was inflating your behind with a lie to "buy" him more time on your car.
Thruth is, there are only 5 people in the United United states that really know about supercharging the 928 in a reliable, powerful, tuned fashion:
1. Me. I designed and developed the kit with the assistance and knowledge of Marc Reviel. I give him 1/2 credit to this kit. We are close friends and equal business partners. We both have quite a history in 928's, performance applications on sports cars, and racing (all types: Autocross, Timed trials, DE sessions, Drag racing)
2. Marc Reviel (as stated above)
3. Tim Murphy: an initial customer of ours, he adapted our kit to the S4 and redesigned a couple of components as-needed for higher horsepower than what our kit was initially designed to do.
4. Marcus Hutchinson: He and his mechanic tested the kits for auto-transmissions and built a motor per many conversations with us to allow more boost. Marcus is now running a reliable 14psi making probably close to 540rwhp/570rwtq in is 1985 automatic 928 with stock fuel pump and lines/filter.
5. Randy Page. Another auto-trans pioneer for our kit and quite a perfectionist: his engine compartment is probably one of the most beautiful around. A great guy.
Everyone else, and I do mean everyone else, who has no experience with supercharging AND supercharging 928's has an irrelevant opinion. We know what works, we are open for improvements, we know what doesn't.
We also know that only a complete moron could blow up a strong motor with forged pistons: this is something high-school drop-outs do at the ripe old age of 16, or, Erik Munck. With all the lawsuits against him, all his alias court names, the twin disaster GTS projects, the two stolen FAST kits, all the un-returned phone calls and emails, we're baffled to see continued support by his "followers".
Please let us know if you need our help in any way, "free of charge", just like our assistance to David Sarten.
Mark (and Marc). )))
Maybe this will help you guys. Im still pondering on getting a loan for a motorcycle or a mods to my 928 hmm..
Re: FAST 928 kit dissucion on Rennlist (you'll love this: long too)
(((Yes, we've seen some of the posting regarding Erik's grenading of the white car. Since he's responsible for this, and it's NOT our "kit" or tuning, but our brackets & pulleys stolen from Erik, we aboslutely assume no responsibliy and have quite a record of warning Mr. Dyer about the upcoming fate of his car, for over 7 months now.
Here's my last email to Joe from last week:
I've not had time to read all the threads, though Marc Reviel read quite a bit last night and was intrigued by the support Erik still receives.
"10 928's awaiting service". Man...
Feel free to post this text on the board if you wish, I didn't even have time to write this!
Also, make no mistake, the parts you have on your car that are indeed ours are stolen from Erik. He has never paid for either kit he has of ours, and refuses to pay over, and over. The bracket and pulley specs are also stolen as we have proof of his replication, as well as all the secrets to making the kit work on the 928 (I guess he lost those.
Just to refresh your memory, here's how this thief (Erik) exposed himself:
This is your exact email you sent to me (us) on August 28, 2002:
"Hi,
I need to know about the new supercharger brackets. Have they been
re-designed? Did the new design have to be re-designed? If so, when
will
the new brackets be available?
Reason I'm asking is that Eric Munck is apparently trying to complete
my
supercharger installation and I keep getting re-design and slippages in
the
schedule.
I really need to know what's going on here. Any feedback will be
appreciated.
Sincerely,
Joe Dyer"
Here was my immediate response to you on the same day:
"Hi Joe.
Uh, we have never sold any kits to Eric Munck/"Projeckt928." The only way to get our kits is to order from us or PowerHaus.
There are no re-design issues with our brackets and never were. We finished our current design well over 3 years ago.
Call us if you have any questions, I'd be happy to brief you on our kits & current customers. (512-699-7200- Marc Reviel)
Mark Robinson, FAST."
Then after you inquired about issues with Eric we replied with:
"Joe, you really don't know the 1/10th of it! Have you discovered the website dedicated to his alias names and countless lawsuits? You really need to call David Sarten before writing any checks. David (eric's only customer) had to Pay 20k to get his car REPOSESSED back from eric, unfinished, untuned, though eric claims it was running and dyno'd 500rwhp. David's car 4 months later still is not right to drive everyday, still "un-engineering" all Eric's mistakes."
Please let everyone know that Erik lied to you about us "taking too long to redesign the brackets". That was an open lie to the highest degree. We long since redesigned our brackets (long before "someone" stated that ours flexed) for a stronger profile. Even if a few initial brackets flexed a bit, it's irrelevant, nobody has ever complained about it and none have ever broke. Regardless, Erik was inflating your behind with a lie to "buy" him more time on your car.
Thruth is, there are only 5 people in the United United states that really know about supercharging the 928 in a reliable, powerful, tuned fashion:
1. Me. I designed and developed the kit with the assistance and knowledge of Marc Reviel. I give him 1/2 credit to this kit. We are close friends and equal business partners. We both have quite a history in 928's, performance applications on sports cars, and racing (all types: Autocross, Timed trials, DE sessions, Drag racing)
2. Marc Reviel (as stated above)
3. Tim Murphy: an initial customer of ours, he adapted our kit to the S4 and redesigned a couple of components as-needed for higher horsepower than what our kit was initially designed to do.
4. Marcus Hutchinson: He and his mechanic tested the kits for auto-transmissions and built a motor per many conversations with us to allow more boost. Marcus is now running a reliable 14psi making probably close to 540rwhp/570rwtq in is 1985 automatic 928 with stock fuel pump and lines/filter.
5. Randy Page. Another auto-trans pioneer for our kit and quite a perfectionist: his engine compartment is probably one of the most beautiful around. A great guy.
Everyone else, and I do mean everyone else, who has no experience with supercharging AND supercharging 928's has an irrelevant opinion. We know what works, we are open for improvements, we know what doesn't.
We also know that only a complete moron could blow up a strong motor with forged pistons: this is something high-school drop-outs do at the ripe old age of 16, or, Erik Munck. With all the lawsuits against him, all his alias court names, the twin disaster GTS projects, the two stolen FAST kits, all the un-returned phone calls and emails, we're baffled to see continued support by his "followers".
Please let us know if you need our help in any way, "free of charge", just like our assistance to David Sarten.
Mark (and Marc). )))
Maybe this will help you guys. Im still pondering on getting a loan for a motorcycle or a mods to my 928 hmm..
01-14-2003, 09:54 PM
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HEY NOW <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
Wasn't that fun.
Just a guess on my part but, I think I can see pretty clearly where much of the mis-information about the supercharger kits has come from.
Pretty much clears it up for me. There are still two things I would like to see
Another testimonial from a satisfied, self installed FAST customer with some miles on the kit
AND
Guys like Eric Munck in the pokey <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" />
Wasn't that fun.
Just a guess on my part but, I think I can see pretty clearly where much of the mis-information about the supercharger kits has come from.
Pretty much clears it up for me. There are still two things I would like to see
Another testimonial from a satisfied, self installed FAST customer with some miles on the kit
AND
Guys like Eric Munck in the pokey <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" />
01-14-2003, 09:58 PM
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Brent,
I think that's pretty much an accurate message from Mark at FAST. Keep in mind that the list of issues I posted were not really complaints about FAST, just a list of changes I personally would like to see if I were to design my own parts. It's just that quest for perfection...
For the first year or so I was in very frequent contact with the guys at FAST as we were working through changes here and there, so they are aware of most of the issues I ran across.
Randy
87 S4 Auto Black/Black
Supercharged & Intercooled
I think that's pretty much an accurate message from Mark at FAST. Keep in mind that the list of issues I posted were not really complaints about FAST, just a list of changes I personally would like to see if I were to design my own parts. It's just that quest for perfection...
For the first year or so I was in very frequent contact with the guys at FAST as we were working through changes here and there, so they are aware of most of the issues I ran across.
Randy
87 S4 Auto Black/Black
Supercharged & Intercooled
01-14-2003, 10:03 PM
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Well the monies I had reserved for buying the Fast kit just went into another 928. After reading all the threads on supercharging I decided to wait for a more reliable turnkey product, and spend my hard earned dollars on something I know will bring me smiles (in stock form). I'll be waiting with baited breathe for someone else to drop the cash on supercharging. I'd also like to see some feedback on the stuff coming from 928 Developments. Anyone?
01-14-2003, 10:34 PM
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Burning Brakes
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Hey Shane,
Congratulations on a second 928, hard to fault that choice, these cars are a steal
I would have to say that there IS a reliable ~100hp bolt on kit. I am not sure what the motivation was for some to bad mouth the kit from FAST. I have yet to see a single FAST kit owner show up and complain. I have heard from two, Tim and Randy, that both had good things to say about the kit. Not a bad showing in my book, especially considering the source of the negative comments. Always consider the source
Congratulations on a second 928, hard to fault that choice, these cars are a steal
I would have to say that there IS a reliable ~100hp bolt on kit. I am not sure what the motivation was for some to bad mouth the kit from FAST. I have yet to see a single FAST kit owner show up and complain. I have heard from two, Tim and Randy, that both had good things to say about the kit. Not a bad showing in my book, especially considering the source of the negative comments. Always consider the source
01-14-2003, 11:05 PM
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Brent,
Marcus 3 seems to endorse the FAST stock kit on the "White GTS" post. On the FAST web site they only claim to have had 20 customers by June of 2002. 3 of 20 FAST kit owners have come forward to say it is reliable for what it is intended to do. That is of all people who have ever owned a FAST kit come forward in a short time with endorsement. I would say those are pretty good numbers.
Andy K
Marcus 3 seems to endorse the FAST stock kit on the "White GTS" post. On the FAST web site they only claim to have had 20 customers by June of 2002. 3 of 20 FAST kit owners have come forward to say it is reliable for what it is intended to do. That is of all people who have ever owned a FAST kit come forward in a short time with endorsement. I would say those are pretty good numbers.
Andy K
01-14-2003, 11:20 PM
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Hey Guys,
We really do aim to please. I'd be more than happy to address any questions anyone may have.
We're here to have fun, and spread the power. We've not profited from our kits as 100% of our proceeds go to further developments in the Porsche field.
But, we are vocal about our kits being dissed for irrelevant reasons, and of course, theft.
MarkR(FAST)
We really do aim to please. I'd be more than happy to address any questions anyone may have.
We're here to have fun, and spread the power. We've not profited from our kits as 100% of our proceeds go to further developments in the Porsche field.
But, we are vocal about our kits being dissed for irrelevant reasons, and of course, theft.
MarkR(FAST)
01-14-2003, 11:58 PM
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BERNIE: What do you have to say about Erik now? Thats the guy you said was a stand up guy. Thats the guy who you said DID NOT BLOW THE MOTOR IN THE GTS. I'm a little confused could you clear this up. Bernie are all these people including the guys from fast full of crap. We are all waiting for your response, since it was you that said the white gts hauls *** and the motor is not blown
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01-15-2003, 12:48 AM
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Hey there Curious George. You can have Delta's/Erik's/Bernie's stolen kit "ideas" too if you're curious enough to be 0-in-3.
"oh man, did I blow another one? Doh!" (Homer Simpson)
"oh man, did I blow another one? Doh!" (Homer Simpson)
01-15-2003, 09:25 AM
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George,
Your reading my mind buddy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> What I want to know is that since Bernie has professed a desire to supercharge HIS personal car, why is it not at Muncks right now? A little of the old "put your money where your mouth is" would be refreshing. Not to mention, it would add a shred of credibility to the whole notion Bernie is trying to sell.
Has Eric Munck successfully installed a SINGLE supercharger on anyones car yet?? Lets hear from that person. We have heard from a couple of GTS owners so far. Both have had to retrieve their cars from Munck and have them fixed. Why anybody supports that guy is a mystery to me.
Your reading my mind buddy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> What I want to know is that since Bernie has professed a desire to supercharge HIS personal car, why is it not at Muncks right now? A little of the old "put your money where your mouth is" would be refreshing. Not to mention, it would add a shred of credibility to the whole notion Bernie is trying to sell.
Has Eric Munck successfully installed a SINGLE supercharger on anyones car yet?? Lets hear from that person. We have heard from a couple of GTS owners so far. Both have had to retrieve their cars from Munck and have them fixed. Why anybody supports that guy is a mystery to me.