Boris

Ed,

All I can comment here is you better check your sources of information before stating unapproved facts. And I wouldn't suggest any yellow press for this. This goes for weapons, houses, lands, and all the rest, especially media coverage. God bless CNN for their being Israeli supporters. Ha-ha. Now you made me laughing. All the stress is gone, and I can even keep talking to you as a friend (not that I couldn't before, but still, you got more of my sympathy now).

928 Maniac

I give up.

We're experiencing the worst tragedy inflicted on innocent civilians by other human beings and all you guys do is bicker about Israel's conduct towards the Palestinions.

Is this is the result, Bin Laden already won.

Thom1

The 2 things that seem most pertinent to these posts from CNN footage are:

Palestinians were dancing and celebrating in the streets upon the news of the massacre of thousands of innocent Americains.

Israelis responded with a promise of any help they can provide. I think that Israeli intelligence will assist us in finding those responsible. Another response from Israel was to declare a day of morning for our tragic losses.

Boris

Land land land...
Let's go for the land then.
After the "friendly" invention by all 3 neighbours of us 30 years back, supported by Russia, another major instructor of the world order back then, by the way, we have managed to make our own way (alone!!!) to Damascus, Sinai, and into Jordan. Yes, we've taken Golan heights from Syria. As most of the world should understand now, it's a pity we've only taken this and not the whole country. But somehow, maybe because we weren't real aggressors here (?), we've given them all back, except the strategic Golan Heights to prevent future surprises. Sinai has gone back to Egypt from these same reasons, and is serving now as a popular resort providing quite a significant income to Egyptian economy. Same with Jordan.
Now, whay does nobody, I repeat - nobody, claim Russians to be aggressors for taking lands from Germans after WW2? Anybody to blame Poland for taking a piece of German land as well? Or maybe even USA for taking the land of Indians some more time back?
Excuse me, but all this land issue doesn't sound very right to me.
And if we do go back to occupied territories - I've already mentioned it above. They got their land! They even got their part of Jerusalem. Do you want to convince me now they have the right to come and kill me in Tel Aviv just to claim their rights on my house? Sorry, but NO F**KING WAY! They just don't have these rights. If they think they do - I'm prepared. Let them go out of their shelters, and arrive here with their weapons. I'll be ready for them. And not you Ed, nor anybody else will stop me from defending my own home which belongs to me by any international agreements, approvals, permissions or understandings.
If anybody on this board thinks otherwise, and is ready to prove his point - I will be prepared for him as well, and God help him in his attempt to terminate my family as I will have no mercy.

I think above just expresses your, americans, feelings right now, and I do understand them, and even encourage them. We don't have to be as radical as I just stated, but we have to act carefully and promptly to secure our common civilization from heartless barbarians.

Good night to you all, and take care.

Ed Ruiz

Our support of Israel and their conduct with the Palestinians is EXACTLY why we were attacked. I did not see any other country attacked by this terrorist, did you?

By all means, let's get the terrorists responsible, and deal with them accordingly. However, let's try to rectify WHY we were targeted in the first place.

Boris, the rest of the world is not dupped by Israel's actions. If their reporters are biased, then there must be a conspiracy against Israel by every European reporter and news agency. Funny, but I don't think that is the case. Particularly when Israel has steadfastly refused to allow independent observers. What does Israel have to hide?

Peace.

Boris

Just a short update from what you haven't seen in the news:
Probably the best trained in the whole world Israeli rescue team was ready to leave Israel, and aboard the plane less than 2 hours after the first attack.
At the same time Israeli hospitals have started to receive blood to be supplied to NYC hospitals.
Urgent prime minister cabinet meeting has been called to coordinate steps in providing any help that might be needed by USA.
It's been announced immediately after this meeting Israeli flags will go down today.
Immediately after the attack, Israeli intelligence and security organizations, well known for their ability to track down terrorists wherever on earth they may hide, have contacted appropriate american authorities, and have worked in tight cooperation with them since then.
When the first pictures hit our TV screens (it was afternoon here), this whole country stopped, and people are still in deep shock hurting your pain much more than you can imagine.
Personally, when I saw the Palestinian street celebrating, I felt this immediate urge to go and find the weapon... And this is me, who has always considered himself as a most peacefull person in Israel, blaming numerous Israeli actions without going much into details.

I can understand that Israeli role in these recent events disturbs many of you, so leave Israel. But please understand finally what we are all facing these days and start acting accordingly. This seems like our last chance, and I'm not speaking like Israeli now, but like a civilized human being.

Boris

Q: What does Israel have to hide?

A: Israeli polititians refuse to admit their own mistakes from the not to distant past. It is hard for them to admit they've quietly given up to terror, and parted with all what Palestinians have asked for without having anything in return, not even our own safety. This is exactly the reason why they still keep denying the existance of Palestinian state although it already exists. Period.

If you're looking for explanation better suiting your way of thinking, I'm afraid there is no such...

Thom1

The reactions of Palestinians to this act of the utmost EVIL remind me of the most despicable elements of any society. I witnessed some idiot white people reacting to Martin Luther King Junior's death with glee. I am white, and hate to see people dancing with joy at the massacre of innocents.

Jim_H

Good idea Ed, lets give the terrorist what they want, that will keep them from performing these acts again!

Talk about motivation...Sheeesh!

Jim

Kaz

In all of our talk about what the cause of this, that or the other might be, I think we lose sight of the fact that the thinking in the region these terrorist come from, does not at all jibe with our way of thinking.
Most of these guys were trained in combat, by us. They fought the Russians in Afghanistan with weaponry provided by us. It's not like they don't know what bombs raining down on them will feel like. Yet they do what they do, taking themselves and innocent bystanders down with them.
I don't think it's question of giving terrorist what they want or don't want. All of this is the result of AT LEAST thirty years of US Government policy, and I haven't seen one post yet on any board, that accepts the fact that the US gov't does things in other countries (western or third world) that are self serving if not despicable acts in and of themselves.
As the pendulum swings one way, so it swings the other.
If bombing the bejeezus out of people deterred them from evil acts then Israel wouldn't be in the fix it is in. So now what are we gonna do? I mean, really. I'm as guilty as anyone posting crap on the board and much of it was in frustration and sarcasm but now seriously. If you step back and I know it's hard to step very far right now, but if you step back and take a good look, you know there's no easy answer. If it were as easy as sending in an army or planes and blowing the crap out of someone then the Russians would now be in control of Afghanistan, and the Palestinians wouldn't still have young men waiting, just waiting, for their chance to walk a bomb in somewhere.
LOL we just found out that our brand of Kung Fu doesn't quite cut it and we're nervous, we're scared. Now what?

Steve Cattaneo

What, God of peace, are we to do with our anger? In the wake of this tragedy, it fills us to overflowing. Sometimes our anger is the only prayer we can bring to You. We are relieved and grateful to know that You are loving enough to bear all we feel and say.

Where do we go from here? Is there life after all this fury? What will we be without our anger when it's all that has fueled us?

When we are still, we hear Your answer: "Emptied."

But then we would be nothing.

When the time comes for us to empty ourselves of this abundance of anger, make us into something useful. It would be a double tragedy to waste anger's re-creative energy.

Although we are numb and angry right now, Lord, our prayers are with those who are directly affected by this "Day of Infamy"


Lord,
You have said that we all one.
So when we are tempted to
separate and alienate
Our brothers and sisters,
remind us:
WE ARE ALL ONE.

Don't let this tragety ruin the friendships that we have made.

Steve C.

2V4V

I am certain we are ALL shocked and stunned by this heinous act. My heart goes out to anyone who has been affected by the loss of a loved one, friend, or colleague.

I hope that the "powers that be" have both the immediate, and long term good of our Nation, and ultimately, the world when our response is formulated and executed. And that the response addresses not just the symptoms, but the causes.

I fear becoming a police state like the former USSR, or like Israel is today, just for a little more perceived "safety".

I really hope that we ALL hang together- to fight those in the world who would take our freedom, no matter where they come from, or how they try to take it.

Peace,
(achieved through whatever means necessary)

Greg

Flint

Well, it seems a little late to go defending my previous post, but yes, Carlos I can say for certain that the Qur'an does not condone the the killing of innocents. Of course, there are splinter groups within Islam that think otherwise, just as there are within Christianity or Judaism (though I have seen less in Judaism than in others). People can interpret scripture to mean whatever they need it to mean. I never said I believed what I said to be true, I just said I would like it to be--who wouldn't? Hell, I belong to the religion that's probably killed more people than all others put together (Roman Catholic...crusades) but I can't just go condemning the entire papist system for it.

That said, please, I emplore everyone, don't let this issue tear this board--a place for people to come together--apart. Yes, I am angry, how can we not be, but this doesn't damage my hope that we as intelligent, civilized people can't come together in peace someday.

Ed Ruiz

Dear fellow sharksters:
I want to apologise to all offended by my linking of US policy with Israel as the root cause for the attack on the WTC and Pentagon. My intent for the thread was to get us thinking of what we can do in the future to prevent terrorist attacks on us. Since I don't know for sure why we were attacked, and I certainly don't know who did it, I should not have implied that our support of Israel was the root cause for the attack.

To those who have lost loved ones, my sincerest condolenses. My Son (who works at the Pentagon) was fortunate to be in another building at the time of impact. I have friends in NYC that once worked in the WTC. Some of their friends still worked there.

I can only hope the culprit(s) are found and swiftly brought to justice. I also hope that whatever the root causes for the attack will be rectified.

Peace.

Carlos

We can not become involved in some kind of "thrust and parry" type operation. The response has to be fierce, sweeping and awe inspiring. Regardless of what they consider the justification for such action , men & women who think and act this way will not be allowed to survive. We should not allow this to turn the US into a police state. Instead the enemies of the US should be huddled together, shuddering in fear and preparing to die. Would the survivors of those who died in past wars protecting the American way of life say "it's just different now and we have to change our ways?" I don't think so. I believe we would we hear a unified voice saying "we must do what is necessary to continue our way of life." We can not allow human or any other shields to protect them. The full force and might of the US must be brought to bear agains all individuals, organizations and nations involved in this and other similar acts. The way of life we enjoy in the USA is the greatest that has ever existed on planet earth must be preserved. Let the enemies of the United States of America seek comfort and mercy from their god. They will get neither from us.