Ed Ruiz

$4,000,000,000 US tax dollars to Israel every year sounds like quite a bit of support if you ask me. If you really don't think you need it, send it all back to us. I'm sure we can put our $$$ to better use.

I still wonder why no other country thinks supporting Israel is a worthwhile cause?

I'm not advocating the bombing of anyone or any state. I hope that the powers that be start to realise why we were attacked, and take steps to reduce the chance of it ever happening again. I'd like it better still if the threat could be eliminated, but I don't think that is realistic. However, I can still hope.

BTW, thanks for the blood donation. I'll be giving some "O neg" as soon my 58 days are up.

Peace.

Carlos

I think it is realistic to eliminate terrorism. Nobody has had the ***** to do it before. Maybe now that will change. Everyone who participates in, assists the perpitrators of, provides financial assistance for or propogates terrorism in any way, should now consider themselves at war (a war they cannot win) with the US. The responsible world citizens should join with the US to see to it that anyone who paricipates in this kind of activity not be allowed to continue to survive, wherever they may attempt to hide.

Boris

Ed,
Please excuse me being rude, but should we, Israelis, start kissing your feet now?
If it is the sum you mentioned (being an economist I've heard of much lower numbers, all of them in weapons rather than cash), then it is probably worth it from your government point of view, and you're the one who elected it by the way. I can not believe anybody, even the good big Uncle Sam, would throw this money without having something in return. Please please think of it just a bit.
It may need be noticed that I'm not "opening a war" on you, Ed, or something. It's just your statements about Israel that don't have much sense. Please learn the situation, as well as your own country position very carefully before making these statements.
I can only pray for your common sense...

P.S. Can you put the jet-fighters you have no use of to better use than providing US citizens with working places? I doubt it. Although not absolutely true, you do help yourselves by helping us. Please take it into consideration.

I think it's better for me to retire now from this discussion before I found guilty for the latest events. Be well, American nation, and start looking carefully into the world surrounding you. You're not alone there, and as we all have seen, are not less vulnerable than others.

Ed Ruiz

The dollar figure provided to Israel from the US may not be up-to-date, but it is nonetheless in the BILLIONS of dollars per year. Most is probably in the form of weapons, but not all. Also, thosee weapons are provided with strict provisions, yet Israel has violated those provisions on several occasions, so what should the US do about it?

Is it any wonder why the US may be considered an accomplice to actions taken by Israel against Palestinians when US made weapons are used offensively against them?

I still wonder why not one other country in the whole-wide-world supports Israel? I just wonder, do they ALL know something the US does not, or visversa?

Peace.

Boris

Sorry, I won't reply anymore.
Waste of time.
I will leave it to you to figure out the answers for these questions.
Be well, Ed. Hope nobody comes to bomb you personally as they do here every single day. And nobody shoots you from freshly manufactured American (!!!) weapon aimed by another terrorist from Lebanon or Palestine.

Moss928

You got a point there Ed! What does the US get in return?

Ed Ruiz

Since I don't condone confiscation of Palestinian land to give to Jewish settlers, I don't think I have much to worry about directly. Unfortunately, my country is considered by some to be complicit with Israel in the oppression of Palestinians and Arabs in general.

As a result, the US has paid a very high price for it's role in the middle east. Personally, I will do all I can to support our country in its time of great need, even though I think it was wrong to support Israel.

I only hope that "Those in power" will realize why we were attacked, and will take steps to capture and deal with those who made the attacks, and correct the reasons for those attacks.

Peace.

Jim_H

Boris,

Thanks for your earlier post of support. There will always be people looking to blame other people for the acts of others. I don't blame my mom for problems I have nor Israel for the acts of savages. To blame Israel for the acts of these insects is assanine. Thank God most of the US is looking at the real problem, terrorism against innocent civilians.

Jim

Boris

Here we go.
Just blame Israel, and your "those in power" being wrong while supporting us. Will you let me tell you what you got in return? And I will. What you got is fear of arab world. What you got is your fulfilled dreams of "ruling the world". What you will get in return if you step away at this stage or another is complete denial of your existance by Gulf countries, sky-high fuel prices (those you are being so worried about, even more than people dieing around), and their attempt to force their way of living onto your free democratic society.

Are you talking about "occupied lands"? Just to remind you, those lands were originally occupied by brits, and then given to us by United Nations. Do the arabs struggle to get their lands back from us? Not really, as they've already got everything although not officially. All the west bank, Gaza, and rest of the "famous" places already belong to them, and we don't even have the right to go there. Do they suffer from us being hard on them or letting them die from hunger? Well, if this corresponds for you with the facts that they're having an electricity, telecommunications, and water from Israel without any charge - fine.
Did we speak about weapons? Sure. Are these the same weapons we (Israel) gave them under agreements USA forced us into, and those our 2 soldiers were killed with yesterday, joining the hundreds of casualties in the last couple of months?

Oh, yes. I forgot Jewish settlers! When the terror will end, and either United Nations will decide these settlements belong to Palestine, or Israel will sign such an agreement with poor Arafat, only then will I address this issue.

Until then, all of you who feel the same as Ed expresses are invited to live a couple of months in Israel and learn the real world from inside rather than CNN broadcasts. Bed, food and transportation are on me.

God help you all.

928 Maniac

Guys, guys, guys...

Stop this "in-fighting". A war of words between the US and Israel is probably part of what the perpetrators hoped for. This is an international tragedy and we should stand together against it FOR ONCE!!!

Perhaps the only positive thing that could come out of this is an all-out rejection and fight against terrorism by the international community. I realise that meeting force with force is a last resort and not always the best way out, but there are times when diplomacy and passive resistance have no effect because you're dealing with an adversary with no morals of modern civilisation.

This is such a case. The perpetrators of these acts of terror do not live by modern standards of civilisation, they do not care about moderation, neither do they live by the rules of the rest of the civilised world and they will strike again!

Who's gonna stop 'em?

If we all agree they should be prevented from doing the same thing again, well then we should take appropriate measures...

I say: IRRADICATE THE BASTARTDS!

George 911-V8

BORIS: I suggest you get your self a weapon if you need to in order to protect yourself. The american people help feed and protect more countrys in need than any country in the world. I feel its time to stand and be counted as a nation. ED RUIZ you are 101% right and I support your beliefs on the subject at hand. I think all hell is about to break lose in the middle east very soon. My advice to all in the middle east is be prepared the US is coming NOT IF BUT WHEN. We have lost to many lives to terrorism. The US will KILL A NAT WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER.
SWAMP MONSTER

Boris

Jim:

My faith in common sense is slowly coming back to me, thank you.

Once again, I would hate to be in place of americans today, and my feelings to you, people, facing such a disasterous events are hard to express. And I do totally identify myself with your pain, just like I do when another kamikaze blows himself on Israeli streets taking numerous lives with him. Although the scale of the recent tragedy can not be compared to what I'm used to see on my land, we are all experiencing the same "new world" today. And if we do not stand up together, as a whole modern world, to face this new reality and these new, previously overlooked enemies, I'm afraid our chances will not be good enough to put an end to this barbarian behavior.

Praying for those still missing, and crying for those lost, whatever their political opinions are or were.

Ed Ruiz

So why is it that Israel is opposed to allowing independent observers, but the Palestinians are all in-favor of it?

You talk about CNN. The fact is that almost all western reporting provided to the USA is Pro-Israel and anit-Palestinian. It is the western reporting done by European news agencies that are less biased, but the US rarely sees them.

Tell me, why is it that Israeli Arabs cannot carry weapons, but Israeli Jews can? Tell me, why in the last 15 years, has not one single application to build a house by an Arab has been approved, yet nearly every application to build a house by a Jew has been approved?

Lastly, the land held by the Brits was Palestinian land. The UN did not give it to you, nor did the Brits. You TOOK it from them, and are still doing so.

The rest of the world knows it, and THAT is why no other country supports Israel.

Peace.

Boris

George:
Unlike Palestinians, I am not allowed to have at home, or carry any weapon, being an Israeli citizen. I guess all I can do is shout for help to America when some nice person comes to bomb my house or cuts me with his knife on the street. How's that?

Jim_H

Ed are you Arabic, the more you talk the more it sounds like this is all Israels fault. Who do you blame for the Ok. bombing? Like an earlier post said your most likely giving the terrorist what they want, blaming Israeli's. There is NO excuse for what they did yesterday but maybe blaming someone who you can "chat" with makes you feel better. Anyway I won't post anymore on this because I am getting pi**ed. The picture of Palestinians dancing in the streets yesterday will be FOREVER in my mind.