cobalt

I was doing my morning Ebay shopping when I cam across this 1994 GTS

http://cgi.ebay.com/Porsche-928-928-...QQcmdZViewItem

It is one of the early 1994 with an M718 code, which means it is a 1993 that the factory revised the VIN number to make it a 1994. I have been seeing a lot of discussions how many feel the 1995's are the most valuable and the 94's and so on. To me unless it is the last 95's 5 speed cars they are all GTS's to me and see little reason for as much as a $10k difference between a 93 and 95 with identical mileage and condition.

I am curious to see what others think. Should a 94 that is really a 93 be worth more than a 93 in identical condition?

Please lets keep it civilized.

SteveG

I don't think it is, but there probably is someone who would care. Man, that is really marking it with a grease pencil and cutting it with an axe. Seriously, you can go nuts with these details. Why did Porsche change the font on "GTS"? There are how many different reflective strips and signage combinations available on GTS or is each combo year specific? I have no idea! The font thing had to be a way to add distinction, but I think there is no rationale to the rest and then one day the strudle was late and the designer had a sharpened pencil in his hand and he thought "Let's see what this looks like" then the project manager said, "Heinrich is retiring early and I have 100,000 DM I can spend on something." And then they just added parts when parts became available.

sharkmeister85

Realistically, the cars are no different and therefore have the same intrinsic value. But technically and legally I suppose, the re-dated 93 is a 94 and should have some premium over the exact same 93 car. What that premium is or is not, is a matter to be decided between the buyer and seller.
Glenn

cobalt

I understand your point but find it strange that it works this way. I have a 1994 turbo 3.6. They are all considered 1994's yet the first 288 of the 409 imported to the US were 718 coded and are identical cars. Yet with this model it makes no difference in value between the first 288 vs the balance. If one car is identical to another should a MY designation (albeit altered) make any difference? I for one think it should not.

I asked this because I have been following the values of relatively rare Porsche's for several years and the GTS is a rare model that appears to fall prey to this. Even the GT2's don't seem to have as much variation although there is a significant difference between the model years.

Alan

Well as an owner of such a car - the diferrences between a 93 and a 94 manual are pretty minimal. I happen to like the RDK (flawwed as it is) and I prefer C2 cup wheels to the Cup2's and thats really mostly a taste issue. I'd like the particle filter in the MY '94 but its a small thing...

In an auto there is some definite value in the dynamic kickdown.

An M718 is likely to be really newer in the sense of how much time its been on the road - but on cars this old how much difference does that make - at this point its a <10% difference and mileage, maintenance & care will play a much bigger role.

e.g. My well equipped black/black M718 '94 was made in April '93 and sold in August '94 with 7 miles on the odometer.... 928's were really really moving slowly at this time...

I'd consider equipment, condition, maintenance, color and lastly mileage to be much more important than model year - but for an Auto the 94/95 has an equipment edge (or you can retrofit dynamic kickdown as Schocki did)

However - most people have no clue what M718 means....

Alan

ErnestSw

I guess it all boils down to the fact that, especially in the marketplace, perception is reality.

cobalt

I was under the impression the first 94's (m718 cars) did not have the dynamic kickdown and were identical to 93's. Apparently they received the newer tranny's with '93 P coded engines. I have a 5 speed so I am at a loss in this area. I agree, equipment, condition, maintenance and color should be a bigger factor over MY, although mileage seems to have more impact than the others as we have seen lately.

Mileage can mean so many different things also. I have a very well maintained 964 C2 with 47k miles and in comparison to my 93 GTS with almost 61k miles the GTS looks like it has 20k miles and the C2 more like 60k. Both are the same color and the paint on the C2 although well above average is nothing compared to the GTS.

Still an enigma to me.

RyanPerrella

i dont understand why that sticker on the back bumper hasnt been removed yet.

Interesting this car is of course for sale again.

cobalt

Most likely covering damaged paint. I have seen people do that often. I agree it is not good for the sale.

Alan

Anthony,
I have a manual too - but I believe the M718 '93/'94 auto cars do NOT have the dynamic kickdown - so my point was this is an area of a real tangible difference between '94/'95 & '92/'93/M718 '94. It can be added as Schocki has demonstrated (but its not a plug & play)...

I agree mileage is a big factor in practice - however I don't think it should be -at least not for a keeper - if condition & maintenance are good it makes little difference...

Alan

cobalt

I guess none of it matters so long as the 5 speeds go up in value.

Just kidding. My wife was suggesting we sell the GTS since she has been having so much fun driving the C2. We took the GTS out of storage a week or so back and after a nice 30 mile drive she came home and said "who was I kidding, we can't sell this car it is just such a pleasure to drive". Not that I would ever consider it but it is always of interest to me what the market on these cars is doing.

I also found this interesting,

A BBS rep I was speaking to had a Masseratti GT and when I spoke to him about the car he gave me all the pros and cons. I told him I had a GTS and he was all over it. He claimed he had 3 over the years and it was his favorite GT car even over the Ferrari 550 he owned. He said the F1 tranny in the Masseratti gave it an advantage over the GTS going into the turns but if he had his choice he would take a GTS over the Masseratti any day. He felt it was a crime to put 20k+ miles a year on a GTS and he needed a car with a warranty for work otherwise he would be driving one now.