Shane

Exactly!!


My instuctor at SRP was driving his old beat to hell 911sc, but he could make that thing sing around the track...

Green Goblin

I dont think you will have much of a problem. Good luck

Andy

Marine Blue

Most important is to get out there and enjoy the drive! I remember hitting the twisties in my 500E following a group of mid 80's M3's. I did not have any problem following them through the twisties at all, the powder overcame the excessive weight and no one was driving at 10/10.

Loaded

Ask SeanR(928) and Ed Hughes(911)

Edgy01

As Bill alluded to earlier, the 928 handles better in general like you know more of what you're doing,--unless. If the 911 guys have some serious time behind their steering wheels then you will be in for a workout. The 928 can make you appear to be a better driver (like today's 997s make me seem like Peter Gregg or Hurley Haywood!)

Ron_H

The 928 is forgiving; the 911 can bite you in the a** if you aren't familiar with it. I recall one fun run when I approached a turn with a little too much enthusiasm and stood on the brakes only to feel them fade into nothing. I was a few feet from a steep drop into an canyon and nowhere to go but around the corner and I yanked the wheel. I would have eaten disaster pie in my 911, while the 928 stuck and barely twitched. Later I looked at the brake pads and there was no meat left. I limped home. If you get out of a 928, and into a 911, approach it with caution because it is NOT a 928.

Ed Hughes

In a fun drive, you won't have any trouble keeping up. The 928 is a well-balanced car, and has great power and ability.

BUT,

My 911 can accelerate neck and neck with a 928 S4 from a stoplight. The shark will be faster in top end, and probably faster pulling over 110 or so. I will outbrake a 928 S4 hands down, and in sharp turns, I think I'd have the edge.

I've seen the comments above about 911's not being forgiving, and biting you and the butt and such. Let's assume the 911 guys know what they're doing....some of us have figured out pretty well how to drive the car. If they don't, then hopefully they'll spin out and crash and burn behind you!

Ron_H

Yup, some of the things I would never do in my 911 I have done in the 928 and been amazed I was still going down the road in a straight line. I needed to re-learn how to drive when I got the 928. Nasty weather is also a concern in a 911, at least to me, while I just love to drive the 928 in a light rain at speed.
Just gobbles up mile after mile as I smile. In a 911 at speed in the rain, I grit my teeth. I love the 911, and my 914/6, but that love is waning more and more each day. Of course I'm not getting any older, so that couldn't be the reason...

jetrainor

Ed, i see you own both so you should know, but my experience is blowing thre doors off of 911's from standing start to infinity, and i've had some game drivers trying gtheir best. We do an annual PC run up here with all types......nothing keeps up to the 928 guys.....935's included.

Ed Hughes

First of all, I doubt you're seeng 935's on your annual PC run.

I'm not sure what kind of 911's you've run against. The 911 ain't a drag racer, but
mine will hold its own up to 70 or 80...maybe 100, then the 928's torque will really shine. I've got similar power to weight, sp my acceleration isn't sluggish. Get us to tight turns, the 911 wins. Long sweepers, the 928 has the edge. Braking, forget about it, I've got similar calipers and larger rotors on the 911 with 900 less pounds, do the math.

Bret928

Interesting thoughts?

Now I’m no expert but I tend to think from a dead stop the 911’s will be pretty evenly matched with a 928. Where I’ve found the 928 shines against most comers is from 30MPH & up speeds. So it would seem to make sense to not try to match the 911s in the twisties and just try to set yourself up for a good clean exit and use your power to overwhelm them in the drag race from or out of the turns. Keeping your gearing & RPMS in the middle of your power band.

Moreover I’ve often wondered how a stock 928 would do with some basic brake upgrades. I’ve had great success with some “up rated” pads (Green) and a set of Teflon SS braded lines on my MGB. Seems to me that you could really surprise them if you could dive into the corner a little harder.

Perhaps a good brake tech session (new pads & SS brake lines) the weekend before this event is in order.

Ed Hughes

Good point on the brakes. These get often discussed on the 911 side of things, but short of the odd mention of GTS brake upgrades, I haven't seen a lot of talk on upgrading say, an S4's.

Actually from a dead stop, if the 928 really smokes 'em off of the line, it should pull the 911 initially. I have to really slip the clutch taking off from a dead stop fast in the 911, if I were to dump the clutch, I get HORRIBLE wheel hop..it feels like the whole ***-end is coming out. 30-75, the 911 pulls like a banshee staying strong up thru third going to 4th at about 105mph. Then, in 4th-5th, the lower torque starts to manifest itself in slower acceleration.

Bret928

Yes the GTS brake upgrade would be sweet I'm sure. But an often overlooked brake upgrade is the teflon (or the like) stainless steal braided brake lines.

Cost effective and gives a much better brake feel & peddle modulation. Also I don't know what kind of brake compounds are out there for the stock 928 brakes but I used the GREEN stuff on my 78B. Kind of iffy when cold but extremly consistent braking when hot with little fad over time.

dr bob

Brakes are an area where some basic stuff will pay off bigtime. First and foremost, make sure you have fresh fluid in the system. Pads make little difference if they aren't pushed by a firm hydraulic system. Old fluid boils early and leaves you with the no-brakes situation that Ron mentions above. Many swear by the ATE blue/gold fluid, and there is a Motul fluid that's reputed to be even better, in DOT-4 flavors. No matter what you use, it needs to be fresh, so plan on doing a fluid flush and bleed before any serious brake use/abuse.

Then it's on to pads. Withourt regard to which pads, make sure they aren't worn to less than half of original thickness. Thinner pads transfer heat to the fluid faster, and cook themselves faster in the process. Bed your new pads against correctly-surfaced rotors, don't just toss a set of new pads in there to break-in to the worn shape and surface of unturned rotors.

Race pads for the street? Um, no. They take a while to warm up in street driving, and really suffer when they are cold. The first few cold stops are scary, especialy in traffic. Once warmed up they are great, but keeping them warm enough in street driving can be a challenge too.

There are some good combo pads that will stand sprited driving and survive, yet still give you reasonable cold performance. Opinions on pads rank right behind opinions on best oil or wax/polish. Generally, even new stock pads will give you enough clamping and friction to get into the ABS. The benefit comes at the second and third stops, when better pads may take the heat of repeated stops a little better. GTS upgrades on an S4 for street driving may look cool, but the stock S4 bits will test the ABS already, at least with near-stock tire sizes.

Worn rotors are a common malady with the 928. If only we could buy them for $125 a set instead of $125 a piece... We'd all have new rotors with every pad change. Meanwhile, the extra mass of new rotors means they take longer to get hot, simple as that.

Make your brakes last longer by keeping your foot off the pedal. There's a fine line where you don't want to upset the suspension with hard stabs at the pedal, but that's sometimes the only way to give them plenty of cooling time between applications.


Fun drives have turned into informal competitions, and are frequently less a test of the cars' setups as they are a test of manhood or driving ability. Those too often go hand-in-hand... A reasonably well-sorted car in the hands of a good driver will kick butt on another car that is not as well sorted or much more likely is in the hands of a driver with only street driving experience. We spend big dollars on car stuff that will --alllow-- the car to be driven faster, yet too often forget to maintain and upgrade the driver. Want to kick butt on fun drives? Go learn to drive fast. The little few-minutes-at-a time sessions on public roads do little to help you learn the correct lines and braking/acceleration techniques needed to go really quickly and smoothly through the turns. There are plenty of track opportunities with good instruction through PCA and many other car groups. Take advantage of that stuff. Learn how to drive your car well, and the 911's will shrink in your mirrors.

Jim bailey - 928 International

The first and most important thing that ALL of my students learn at the track is ....they do NOT know how to drive....The second is that the old very brown 1980 with 198 RWHP on 225x50x15 tires driven by a 350 lb Santa Claus with them riding along as a passenger turns better lap times than their new 911, their Corvette, their Boxter S or what ever else they happen to have brought to the track that day. There is no substitue for track time and the real enemy is weight ...The first few times on a race track is for most a very humbling experience great fun but ....and then once they see their improvement which happens very quickly they are usually hooked !