heinrich

LMAO do I detect a little passive aggressive energy toward Godzilla with that BFG?

Scott M.

<------- SSR GT3's w/ SO3's

But they only fit 93 GTS's, right Jim?

jakermc

I've begun to question why you would want to spend big bucks on tires if they will only be driven on the street. You should never be reaching the limit of your tires on the street. I'm struggling to see how the Kumho AST tires I put on my 928 is going to adversely effect my handling on the street versus other, more expensive choices. (They are also quiet enough and pretty decent in the rain).

If a car gets tracked and you want dual purpose tires for street and track, I understand trading up and do it myself. But street only, why bother?

heinrich

Very true, you don't need to replace your aging shocks either. I've stopped wearing my seatbelt, because on the street, no way any impact can be severe enough to kill or hurt me. When I go to the track I'll wear them, and maybe replace the brake pads that btw work just fine on the metal part.

Dude you need to go buy a Chevy Cavalier.

Your Porsche is a 180mph, race-bred sportscar. If you don't see the value of excellent tyres, you really should reconsider your driving the thing. The Kumho's you mention are in fact excellent tyres.

Scott M.

A very valid point.

Why buy a Rolex when a Swatch will do?

OR

Why carry a knife to a gun fight.

OR...

I'd rather have 'em and not need 'em then not have 'em and need 'em.

OR... just bustin' on ya.


I guess my original comment was more directed through me to the PO's of my cars. Rarely do I get to buy cars with what I call decent tires. But the junkers are great for doing burnouts.

BTB, thanks again to you and your lovely wife for the awesome burgers last year at TMSR.

jakermc

Your analogies make absolutely no sense, and I think you know that. You are comparing faulty equipment or complete lack of equipment to the scenario I presented. Not the same as comparing equipment at the 90% percentile to equipment at the 95% percentile.

The fact that the Kumhos are excellent tires is exactly the point I was trying to make. You can get 95% of the performance at 1/3 the price. The other 5% is not needed unless you are on a race track, so why spend money on it unless you are headed to the track?

I probably spend more time on a race track in one month, every month then you will in years. I have intimate knowledge with how important tires are in that environment and can tell you down to 10ths of a second the difference in brands. I also know that if I reach the limits of good street tires while I am on the street then I am a complete moron and should have my license revoked.

No need to reconsider what I drive, I simply chose the right tool for the application at hand.

jakermc

Every time I buy a car it arrives with dry rot and flat spots! We've had the same luck.

Let me know when you are back in the area, we'll get everyone together again for some track side fun.

heinrich

DAMN you are great what do the rest of us know huh If you come here and say that inferior tyres are OK on a Porsche, you are dead wrong. Kumhos are in no way inferior to other tyres. yes there are slightly better tyres, but you said "you should never reach the limit of your tyres on the street" which is a load of horse puckey. We all reach the limit of our tyres evry day on the street, the moment we nail the brakes for an emergency.

Porsches are not race cars. They are STREET cars, and are designed to be drivn on the STREET at high speeds, high cornering velocity and high braking force. Their advanced STREET handling REQUIRES the BEST tyres you can afford.

To come here to a list where many untrained Porsche owners read what you post, and say "you don't need excellent tyres on a Porsche for street" is going to cause them to say "Yeah, I'll just instal those used tyres from the guy down the street, makes sense".

I apologise for offending such a venerable race guru such as yourself

jakermc

Please do not put words in my mouth. I NEVER said you don't need excellent tires, in fact I believe that you do. I simply said that I don't believe you need to spend a lot of money to buy the best tire available as much less expensive alternatives exist that provide just as much performance in the real world.

Are you nailing your brakes everday to make an emergency stop? Try not to tailgate and try looking ahead as opposed to the bumper in front of you. Anticipate problems before they occur. If I get into the ABS more than 1x/year I'd be surprised. You are not reaching the limit of your tires everyday, you have simply reached the limit of your own driving ability.

By the way, if an open lane is available the best way to avoid an accident is with the gas, not the brake. There is an interesting drill they do at the Bondurant school that shows this. You might want to enroll, its a great way to improve your skills.

It's clear you are trying to pick a fight as opposed to add valuable content, so this will be my last post on the topic. I have no desire to reach a 10,000 post count in the same fashion that you have.

Ed Hughes

Whoa Boys!

H, I think you misinterpreted Rob's post. He's questioning the need to spend a lot of money on tires, when he feels that he's getting quality in his Kumhos. I don't think he ever mentioned buying crummy tires. Maybe he should've elaborated more by simply stating that he thinks the Kumho is an excellent tire for the money, or that there are great tires out there for reasonable money.

Hmm, imagine this, me telling someone else to calm down...

heinrich

LOL Ed. It's clear Rob and I disagree. I say again, the best tyres you can afford, you must instal. And I should add in reply to Rob's last post on this thread, the best way to avoid a collision ahead of you on the street is with the brakes and your eyes. My dad agreeed with Rob, I do not. Steering into an opposing or other lane in the blink of an eye has caused more loss of life and head-on collisions and rollovers on the street than any brake, look, brace reaction.

heinrich

Btw I really do reach the limits of my excellent tyres on the street very often. It;s what these cars are made for. If you don't reach the limits of your tyres often, you're not having fun.

AO

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M. Matuza

I just went and turned my caps. Im so embarrassed...How could I have been driving around like that?

Jim M.

Well, it's about time. You were embarassing the ret of us! Lets move on to a more fun topic.

Jim Mayzurk
93 GTS 5-spd