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Old 02-11-2007, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by danglerb
I know nothing of the details of porting, but those look like round holes, wouldn't it be fairly easy to make them larger round holes?

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Sure, but there is some real science involved in porting heads. It's not as simple as hogging out material. Done incorrectly and you can actually end up with worse heads than you started with. The euro heads have Porsches engineers behind the work that was done.

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Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
Has anyone measured the valve spacing? Meaning the distance between the center of each valve? Yes I realize they are (should be) the same, just curious.
From valve edge to valve edge measurement will do fine when valve diameter is known.

Euro
40/2 + 6 + 45/2 = 20 + 6 + 22.5 = 48.5mm

US
38/2 + 8 + 43/2 = 19 + 8 + 21.5 = 48.5mm
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Originally Posted by 918-S
Sure, but there is some real science involved in porting heads. It's not as simple as hogging out material. Done incorrectly and you can actually end up with worse heads than you started with. The euro heads have Porsches engineers behind the work that was done.

That's dumb. You have to be a member to post photos that would benifit the people that are interested in these cars and how they work. I don't own a 928. I own a 914. So I'm too cheap to become a member.
Science would be great, but I suspect some "cookbook" level porting will improve just about any factory head. Chances are good Porsche's engineer's had goals like good fuel economy and ease of production, not getting the last 10 or 20 hp out of the motor. Can't say at this point I disagree with that view, stock Euro S heads sound fine to me.

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Originally Posted by danglerb
Science would be great, but I suspect some "cookbook" level porting will improve just about any factory head. Chances are good Porsche's engineer's had goals like good fuel economy and ease of production, not getting the last 10 or 20 hp out of the motor. Can't say at this point I disagree with that view, stock Euro S heads sound fine to me.

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I found this HERE and I thought it may be helpfull to some of my 16V brethren.

Originally Posted by Olli Snellman
Just use Chevy big block valves. Lot's of different kind available for good price.
Here my friends head with Manley made Chevy valves. Those are also bigger than 930 valves

Originally Posted by evil 944t
930 valves are too short and if you go big valve, why use a 9mm stem??? Chevy valves have been going into 944/951 heads for years.. Do yourself a favor and get some 7mm stems and get some technology from something other than the 80's.
Originally Posted by evil 944t
While your right, some people do make a living off this, it is not the reason why I'm not sharing. There are a few reasons...

1. Its not an easy "bolt on" thing. So, its not an easy thing to write about and answer questions. I don't have time to walk everyone through this on a forum that I check every few days.

C. Every head is different and the guides I use are custom made to the head.

5. For the 3-4 people that would actually understand and carry through with it, there will be 15 people that will tell me I do it wrong. That has grown very old, as old as the amount of drama on this "tech" forum. Especially from the "protected"

Let me give you a "head" start. A 2.7ltr intake valve is 48mm SOooo, you are looking for a BB Chevy valve that is close to 1.890", which will be 1.88 0r 1.90" The most common use a valve 11/32 stem(which is a hair smaller then 9mm). They can be ordered and bought through Ferrea. If your looking for exhaust valves, the can be ordered with a sodium filled stem, see link. Use other pages on the link for intake valves..

http://www.ferrea.com/general-result...tegory_id=6036

You will need all the supporting hardware, guides, seats, locks, retainers, etc...

These are not what I would use but they are good for any street/De car.

Is that enough?
Originally Posted by 95ONE
2.02" is the most common chevy valve head size upgrade I've seen. It seems there is waaaay more room for these valves in our head than in most chevy motors. I don't see how those could come close to being a problem.
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Keep in mind the valves in a 944/951 head are farther apart compared to a 928 head. Not sure how much this will limit the size of the valves you can install.

I'm sure somebody has those measurements lying around.
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Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
Keep in mind the valves in a 944/951 head are farther apart compared to a 928 head. Not sure how much this will limit the size of the valves you can install.

I'm sure somebody has those measurements lying around.
I thought the heads were the same. There was talk at one time about the feasability of putting 944/951 heads on a 928. Maybe Dave or Garrity can comment. They do head work for both cars.
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Originally Posted by Fabio421
I thought the heads were the same.
Valve spacing and an extra water port are the differences.

I have an 8V 944 head somewhere in storage I was using to compare with.

Originally Posted by Fabio421
There was talk at one time about the feasability of putting 944/951 heads on a 928.
It has been done before, the main issue is the 928 cam lobes not being 100% centered over the lifter of a 944 head.

The water port isn't that big of an issue with a track car. IIRC it causes problems with trying to hook up the heater valve.
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The valves are spaced an extra 3 mm apart in the 944 head but the exhaust is closer to the bore then in the 928 head. I will be using a modified 944 head when I do my build up.

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