Jim bailey - 928 International

I do not think that Porsche is very interested in.."maybe even keep more of the cars on the road " They really want to sell you a NEW car.

kary4th

It's pretty easy to understand your point, but you're wrong about mine.

The hose I am referring to is a $1 (low pressure, 13") hose. Tooling costs, hardware costs, etc. have nothing to do with this. It's a $40 part at a dealership, because someone who takes their car to a Porsche dealer for such a repair is going to pay $40 for it without knowing that they're paying a 4000% markup.

For every 30 people who walk away from the parts department laughing, one will have it put on their car. Porsche makes out all the better for it.

Sometimes Porsche parts aren't Porsche parts. Porsche doesn't make their hoses, nor their belts, nor many other things. Are you really better off buying a Porsche 928 timing belt, or a Continental 928 timing belt for 2/3 the price? If Continental makes them for Porsche (I don't recall who does - I believe it's not Continental at this time), how can you argue?

Sometimes you have to make a choice and hope in your attempt to not be taken advantage of, you're not making a mistake.

H2

Is that litte rear-of-engine U-shaped hose in Paul's foto (in lower left) even available anymore? (for the '85 S)? If not, I'd pay out the nose for one since there's not a convenient alternate part available.

Harvey

dr bob

Harvey, this isn't personal so don't take this the wrong way...


Why is it that we can gripe and whine about the prices of parts from the original suppliers? But we are willing to "pay out the nose" once the part makes it to the NLA list. Why not concede that we are willing to pay out just one nostril, and keep the parts available?

Just curious.

Bill51sdr

I have actually kept my old, intact engine compartment fuel lines in the hope of finding a place (NAPA?) that can rebuild them. Unfortunately UKKID, your list is not complete. You need to replace the one that goes from the pulsation dampner to the hard line on the right (starboard, yeah I know you are probably RHD ) side of the engine compartment, assuming it is tha same as on LHD cars. That line also has an omega shaped hose that has been known to burst & burn down cars. Just ask Shane I'm sure Jim at 928 Int'l knows the part # to that one, and as I recall it cost @ $158.00. Porsche sure is proud of that one!!

Jim bailey - 928 International

Kary4th, the hose you mention is about $15 in our on line store...

RyanPerrella

I am one for having all genuine porsche parts honestly, but as someone said each, that depends on which part your buying. I remember Dr. Bob mentioning specifically about the drive belts on the 89 GT recently for sale and he mentioned it had conti belts or something, I know people look at stuff like that, its important to some people, so I remember when i replaced my belts to get them genuine porsche so they say "porsche" on them. Obviously there are some things that can be replaced with what we all consider better than original, such as x pipes and other modification type things, so obviously what you buy wether its porsche or OEM or some other aftermarket supplier really depends on what that specific part is. I do think paying a premium for fuel hose as specifically stated is a little annoying but i have bought some original porsche hoses and some are standard fuel hose, like the one from the y connector to the fuel cannister thing in the pass side fender well. To each his own really, in general you pay more for genuine porsche parts, when the markup is what i consider reasonable then i will buy genuine porsche, when its not, like the fuel lines on the engine where the fuel rails are cncerned, i honestly would have those replaced by a hose supplier, I wont be buying genuine porsche on those.

kary4th

Thanks, Jim. I'll order one soon along with the ignition switch I need.

Jim bailey - 928 International

This got me thinking about tires ....For a 225x50x16 you can get BFG G force for $77 ,Dunlap Sp Sport FM901 $57 Sumitpmo HTRZ $61 Michelin pilot sport for $159 Primacy at $176 and the Yokohama AO48 competition tires are $204 and they wear out the fastest ! Why are all the tires not just $57 ??? What is Michelin thinking to ask a 200 percent premium over the other tires and that Yokohama is worn out the moment you put them on I mean after all they are all rubber and black they all hold air This is OUTRAGEOUS no tire should cost more than $50-70 tops Actually Dr Bob mentioned tires I will blame this on him ! Now about that engine oil....

RyanPerrella

boy oh boy

1 for one never cared about tires but thats one of the most important thing you can put on any car.

Again I think your a bit off comparing michelin pilot tires to the pep boys special, there are huge differences in those components where as rubber fuel line is a very different entity. I think your being somewhat sarcastic with this which i can appreciate but after my parts composition post on an engine mount then you comparing a porsche to a ford engine and now this, come on, we are talking fuel line here. And i will tell you what, if you can tell me the difference in the fuel line construction, its quality over generic fuel line you buy by the foot and the stuff stamped porsche and prove to me its better then i will buy some fuel line from you. But come on, again your comparing a fuel line to tires, they are completely different things.

also to point out, if we went with the factory specified tired that came on these cars, the OE tires instead of the current crop of tires we would be setting ourselves way back. To the point of OE VS aftermarket, those michelins you name arent factory specified for any 928, you would rather put the 33 to 15 year old tire design on the cars when current tire technology is light years beyond that. That if anything disproves your theory to go with ONLY OE parts and nothing more. With all due respect Jim, I think your a way off the mark on this tire comparison.

RyanPerrella

I consider tires one of the most critical thing to any car, race cars, daily commuters, however i dont hold an engine mount, and now maybe i am in the dark here, but i do not hold an engine mount in the same regard as tires or allot of things for that matter.

Jim bailey - 928 International

Ryan ....this is an understatement.." I think your being somewhat sarcastic with this " And now before I am forever branded as the champion of all things Porsche I think there are a number of satisfactory substitutes which seem to be "good enough" and for many the $61 Sumitomo gets the job done. Had I been willing to use tires nearly the same size as the correct tire I could have gotten the tire cost down to under $50 each ! I am pretty much done with this "debate" and I really have no strong feelings either way I simply found it interesting that we love and hate the car because it is an expensive exotic. And yes there are huge differences in tires but to the casual observer they are all black, rubber, and hold air . Which reminds me I need to buy at least 4 more Kuhmo Victorracer race tires for next month at the Streets of Willow I really should get 8 because the one I have mounted now are nearly gone. I would run other brand race tires but they are too expensive

H2

Bob,

Actually, I almost always buy Porsche parts...but it's comforting to know that there are often alternatives when the NLA comes up. As 928 International recently listed, there are a ton of 928 parts that are no longer available. I've got all new gas hoses except for a NLA piece...and it appears that I will have to have one made up if it's possible. Given this kind of situation, there aren't a lot of choices since my trust first goes to Original Porsche...and second to OEM clone...and third to whatever is left as a choice. I'm hoping to find an original equipment hose since an engine fire is not something I want to take a chance on. The last Timing belt I bought I was disappointed that it was not marked Porsche, even though it came from a Sunset Porsche (Conti, for the 968). I'm using it, but it's not my first choice. I've heard of belts from some 968 suppliers not being in the same ball park quality wise. I got a 968 crank seal that was visually much less quality too...and I returned it and went with Sunset. I've had good luck with at least two of the big three for 928 parts though. They always get first crack at my 928 business.

I will say, though, that rather than buy a new or used AC controller unit...I had the Radio Shack relay put in. So far, so good. Hope it doesn't burn the car to the ground....so I fused it.

I bought a bunch of Bosch electrical stuff not a long time ago and each piece was made in a different 3rd world country. The boxes showed a big quality difference...but the parts themselves appeared to be ok...so I guess they have to pass some sort of standard....but I doubt they are the same quality parts that came on the car originally.

I ordered two sets of Anchor motor mounts and after looking them over got rid of them.

Harvey

KY944

Keep it running, use the best possible part you can afford or locate at the time (yes some of us are on a budget), do your best to only do it once. I have made a friend at my local Porsche parts department . He thinks it is cool to keep the old Porsches going. NEVER think that the original part is going to be more expensive....the cost will suprise you, particularily in the end.

JHowell37

For maintenance stuff, I'll buy from the big 3. For interior items I check e-bay first because you can always find deals on e-bay. If I can find an alternative part to replace a factory item that I deem is too expensive, I'll do it. I could stand some motor mounts. I won't be buying ones that come in a Porsche box. I honestly think that most Porsche stuff is of substandard quality (actually, I think most German stuff is) and I always look for a non-German alternative. A few weeks ago I needed a fuel pump. I checked out Advanced Auto. They had three to choose from. One was Beck/Arnley, then the house brand, and then Bosch. The bosch pump was the most expensive. I wanted the Beck/Arnley because it's American made and looked the same as the OEM except it was encased in rubber, which seems to me to be a good idea for an electric gadget that sits at back of the car on the bottom. Unfortunately, they didn't have this available. So I took a gamble and went for the house brand. When it arrived, I opened the box and pulled out a Bosch fuel pump. They didn't even repaint it, they just pulled off the label. I'm a fan of shopping around. I like to deal with Jim because if you talk to him on the phone he's straight forward. He also sells used parts. I bought a timing belt from 928 Specialists with all the other good stuff as well this week. They're not bad to deal with and I like the fact they have the timing belt kit on the website. It makes it so I don't have to talk to anyone, and nothing makes me happier then not having to talk to anyone. I bought a couple of parts from the dealer, and will only do so if that turns out to be the best option. I check e-bay daily for trim and interior items because the guy who's old lady is nagging him to clean out the garage is going to give me a better deal on those things than the big 3 can ever come close to.