hacker-pschorr

Don't be so sure - a non S 100% original one owner pearl white 951 sold for that much a few years ago.

There is not enough data in this thread to make any determination - unless I missed some data somewhere.

The Turbo S is the rarest 944 of them all - IIRC there are less 951S on the road than 928 GTS.

Many of you underestimate the extremely rare 100% perfect garage queen cars. I've seen C4 corvette's sell for double the "going rate" due to being ridiculously low miles (like under 1,000) one owner, perfect shape, seats still in the plastic etc….

Since I have not seen this ad, or the car and I have no idea the history I am not trying to say that is the case with this car. But to blanketly say “No way is this car worth that much” is assuming a lot based on the info presented.

If you guys knew what some OB 928’s have sold for in GB you would crap your pants.

Kaz

That's way too high for a Turbo S. The only way it's worth anywhere near that is if it's been completely rebuilt and heavily modified and even then you'll want to know who did all the work so you're not inheriting someone elses really exotic problem.

cobalt

I believe the car they are talking about is a very low mileage all original cherry 951S. I have seen it advertised recently and although beautiful and relatively rare you can buy too many 951S's for very little. The market has taken a down turn for these cars and you might see an increase in the future but I think for this money there are other options available.

Unless you have a crazy collector looking for such a car I doubt it will fetch $20k never mind $30k.

Most collectors are focusing on the big $$ cars and the 951S although very nice IMO is just not collector car status at this time.

Daniel Dudley

I just sold my 944S to a dealer for 8K. This is a non turbo car, and I am pretty sure he is going to double the price. I think the market is slowing, but people seem willing to spend more right now for the right car. We are talking experienced enthusiasts here, pursuing a long term purchase, buying cars that have been shaken out of the trees by the high end pricing.

Bill Coleman

Shame on me for not bothering to actually look at the ads.

There are 2 '89 Turbo S 944s listed, neither of which is close to stock.

The first one is a Powerhaus car - lots of upgrades.

THe second one has at least as many mods.

Value on these cars is whatever you can get someone to pay for them - but isn't that true of any car?

Checking AutoTrader and Cars.com the most anyone is asking for a stock Turbo S is... about $20k.

Abby Normal

I sold my bone stock 1986 951 with 56k for $12,500 and the car was not even up for sale! The market on those cars seems a little better than the 928 market. Why, I am not sure..I prefer the 928.

cobalt

If you ask me these prices are ludicrous. Most cars have a value if you modify them in many cases it takes away from that value. At best you should get market value for the car and take a bath on the mods. Excellence magazine rates an excellent condition 951 S in the $13-$14 range. I have seen several in that price range. When you buy a modified car you are buying an unknown. As with any of these older cars its not what your purchase prices is it is what you end up putting into it. Drop 28k into a modded 951 and you might find you need to put another $4-5k into it. That is just too much money. I would prefer to buy a clean lightly used 951 for $8-$12k and drop another $5-$6k into it and know what I have.

The 951S's although relatively low production numbers are still not what i would call ultra rare. To pay almost double market value you better be buying a car you are 100% sure about and plan on keeping a long time.

I just picked up a very nice 89 S2 and paid no where near $8k for it I had to drop another $3k into it to have some things fixed but it is set to go with all new Koni suspension M030 sways new tires etc. The crank bearings are all that need to be done and they are in good shape right now. Even at that if I pay someone to do it we are looking at $700. So for well below $10k I have a nice S2 that will go for 100K miles without needing anything but general maintainance and is in excellent shape cosmetically with almost all original shinny black paint.

IMO buying these heavily modded cars is like buying a used race car. If someone dumped $45k into it figure its value to be about 1/3rd of what they invested at best. If you are collecting then I can see $30k for a perfect 951S with less than 10k miles on the odo and it should be all original.

The only exception IMO would be something like a nicely done 968 turbo RS using all original factory parts. If done properly the value of a perfect clone with proper documentation is always worth more than a modified car.

Just my .02

cobalt

Not even close There were something like 700 + 88 and almost 2100 89 951S's sold in the US vs just over 400 928 GTS's sold over the 3 years of production and about 70-90 of those cars were 5 speeds.

The 951 S is a nice car and if I didn't need a N/A car I would have bought one for sure. But there is no comparison between a GTS and any 944. A 951 S might be as fast off the line and a bit more nimble but nothing is quite so grand as a GTS and nothing beats the sound or the torque of the V8.

Vilhuer

Strictly speaking only '88 Turbo S is real Turbo S. '89 is just Turbo even though it's basically same as '88 TS. Ultra low miles '88 Silver Rose is already somewhat collectable. In ROW we have better future classic, 944 Turbo Cabrio.

Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net

I miss my '88 944TS

hacker-pschorr

Oh sorry, off by 388

I thought there were more than 400 GTS made world wide, my bad. Still doesn't change my overall point. To 944 lovers, the 951S is just as desirable as the GTS is to us. If (major if here) there is a 100% original, with some asinine low miles wrapped in plastic since delivered.....you get the idea....there is no telling what some loaded 944 lover would pay.

Would I pay this much for any 944? No way, just sayin.

bigs

I've owned both the original, Silver Rose '88 944 Turbo S (Complete with the eye-popping op-art burgundy plaid interior! Gotta love the '80's!) and a GTS.

Although I loved the Turbo S and still miss it, the GTS is more car in every way. The only advantage the stock Turbo S would have is on tightly curved roads - and even there it wouldn't beat the GTS by much.

The GTS has way more torque, is way quicker off the line, and will pull just as strongly all through the power band. Plus it's lots more comfortable.

Still, it's downright amazing the power and performance Porsche was able to wring out of a 4-banger! The Turbo S is a mighty fine car.

Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net

I wasn't suggesting that I wouldn't still have at least 1 or 2 or 3... 928s. As many on this list, I have owned many cars over the years, and the '88TS (silver/rose) is the only one I really regret not keeping.

Vilhuer

Total worldwide GTS production was possibly 2834 cars. They split into model years and ROW vs. USA+CAN like this:

'92 US number is for early '93 VIN's with option code 718.

Similar numbers for '88 Turbo S are 917 ROW's and 718 USA+CAN.

blkjdmba

Yep...having owned two Turbo S' , I must say that this is one very under estimated car! I personally think it's a better value than any pre 87 928.