heinrich

That's what it was. Same as the pic.

SwayBar

The 993 is one of the sexiest cars on the planet; at least that's what my girlfriend keeps telling me. It's hard to argue her point while looking at all those curves in Garth's pic, although that one would look even better lowered an inch, inch-and-a-half on all four corners.

RDS928S

It's still six cylinders vs. 8. I'll take a C4S anyday.

RDS

greg928GTS

All it takes is a little sand or a few pebbles and the tires on the 928 will spin enough to make my S8 look much faster to 60.

Not to mention smoother and quieter.

2ndof2

Even without the AWD in the 993 the weight of the motor in back allows the tires to hook up much better than a 928's does. When you throw Mille Miglia mufflers on a 993 and drill the airbox the sounds are incredible...much more so than one running stock. 993 are nimble little sportscars, 928's are luxurious GT's. In nearly stock form I think the 993's have the advantage from a stand-still with the later GT's and GTS's somewhere very close. The fact that some of you guys have 928's that can pull the same 0-60 times and top speeds while you are lounging in those comfy seats all nice & relaxed is what makes 928's so cool. Not that I race, but drivers being equal, I think a 993 is probably alot more capable of producing faster lap times on a track just due to the weight advantage and the ability for the rear wheels to hook up better out of turns. My 993 absolutely crushes my 928 in all performance aspects (my 928 buyer hasn't showed up yet this morning!)

heinrich

Ya godda be kidding me .... an '80!!???? Come on Dude.

heinrich

It would be like a 188bhp 1980 911SC pitted against a 5spd 350bhp GTS. No contest.

Jim bailey - 928 International

You can make a pretty good case that the 993 Carrera 4 S was the best of the best when it comes to being a 911... and the resale prices reflect that !

2ndof2

Heinrich,
Just sayin' my '80 can't compete but the later 928's probably can. Even so, from a pure handling perspective since the 80 has some suspension mods and bigger wheels/tires the handling is probably not THAT much worse than a few of the later 928's. It may not have the pull of later 928's due to the smaller motor but the handling should be pretty much in the ballpark of newer 928's. So I'm sayin' even WITH 300+ hp the 928 still doesn't handle as well due to the weight. I guess the only way there would be to fairly compare performance on a track would be to have two cars, a 928 and a 993 with exactly the same power to weight ratios and stock suspension on both cars and see which could get around a track like Laguna Seca the quickest - assuming two equally competent drivers. These are two totally different kinds of cars so a comparison is really not that fair anyway. Obviously with all the aftermarket add-ons available out there a 928 could be made to smoke any 993 in stock form (and vice-versa)
Whew, that was a close one! I had Godzilla after me!!!!

heinrich

.. good points. Rear wheels + torque + weight = excellent stability under power.

heinrich

To me, it, and the 935, are ...

mackmorrowjr

THE C4 CAME OUT IN 89 AS A 964

jakermc

VRAM actually comes on at 3K rpms. Look at the torque curves of a '95 993 engine and that of a '97 engine and you'll see that the the VRAM engine has about 20% more torque at 3K rpms but nearly identical torque at 5K. That's why max HP is only increased by 7hp in a VRAM engine versus it's non-VRAM counterpart. The benefit is at lower rpms, not where max power is produced.

Kolbjorn S

ahem, I vote for the 993 C2S ("Carrera S")! As the C4S it's got the wide turbo body, but main benefit what I like is that it has rear-wheel drive rather than being 4-wheel. Plus,
- the C2S was the last air-cooled 911 model to be launched
- only 3,714 was produced as compared to 6,948 C4S's
- it's 50kg lighter (1,400 kg vs the 1,450 kg C4S)
- C2S has a very nice split rear grille (retractable wing) painted in the car's colour
- it's got the 18" hollow-spoke Turbo twists as an option; the C4S came with solid-spokes.
- fair enough it's 0.1 sec slower 0-60 (5.4 compared to the C4S's 5.3)
Top speed is the same at 270 km/h
A benefit for the C4S however is that it's got the big red Turbo brakes.

Kolbjorn S

The varioram has two stages: At 5,000 and at 5,800 rpm.
Together with modified valves the varioram models have 285 hp compared to 272 on the earlier (94-95) 993's.