Rick Carter

The following words are those I couldn't translate from Theo's website (The Netherlands)

http://home.wxs.nl/~Jennit/Technical/Tips/MyTip544.htm

He has listed the Cd of various Posche models.

Flachbau, Hechlügel, Jubi, Bongers, Elfertreff zusammengstellte, MG, enstprechen den Elfern

Rick
85 32v modified

Nicole

Flachbau - slant nose or flat building
Heckflügel - rear wing
Jubi - ??? (could be a short form for Jubiläum - anniversary)
Bongers - ???
Elfertreff - Meeting of '11s (911s)
zusammengstellte - put together
MG - ??? (maybe the initials of Markus?)
enstprechen den Elfern - similar to '11s (911s)

TD in DC

Nicole got most of them right, but she is the wrong gender for this one. The English equivalent of this German word is "Bazoongas" or "Tatas." 38D's avatar comes to mind.

Rick Carter

Nicole,
Thanks, I was hoping you'ld respond. Here is the list from Theo's website translated into English the best I could per Nicole and Babel fish.
Rick
85 32v modified

I found a list by Markus (MG) from the list put together by the 911 meeting that is quite interesting and contains a lot of Cd values:
Air resistance factor (Cd) x Front surface (A) m2 = air resistance index

356/1 GMÜND 1948 (open with 2 persons): 0.45 x 1.41 = 0.648
356/2 GMÜND Coupé and Cabrio 1948 to 1950: 0.29 x 1.62 = 0.469
356 to MJ 1952: 0.296 x 1.677 = 0.496
356 to MJ 1955: 0.365 x 1.692 = 0.618
356 Speedster to MJ 1958. Convertible D 1959: 0.377 x 1.640 = 0.618
356 A: 0.365 x 1.692 = 0.618
356 B: 0.398 x 1.611 = 0.641
356 B roadster: 0.386 x 1.599 = 0.617
356 B 1600 GS Carrera GTL (Abarth): 0.389 x 1.495 = 0.581
356 C: 0.398 x 1.611 = 0.641

550 R-S Spyder: ?

904 Carrera GTS: 0.383 x 1.401 = 0.536

914.1.7 (also 914/6, 914/8, 914/8 SII) MJ 1970 to MJ 1973: 0.38 x 1.60 = 0.608
914.2.0 MJ 1973 and 1974: 0.38 x 1.60 = 0.608
914.2.0 MJ 1975 and 1976: 0.377 x 1.60 = 0.603

924 (MJ 1976 to 1979): 0.36 x 1.76 = 0.634
924 (starting from MJ 1980): 0.33 x 1.79 = 0.591
924 turbo (931): 0.34 x 1.79 = 0.609
924 Carrera GT (937): 0.34 x 1.82 = 0.619
924S (946): 0.33 x 1.81 = 0.597

944 (also S) MJ 1982 to 1989: 0.35 x 1.82 = 0.637
944 turbo (951) (also S2, turbo S, 968 CS, 968 turbo S): 0.33 x 1.89 = 0.624
944 S2 Cabrio MJ 1989 to 1991 (also S2 Cabrio, turbo Cabrio, 968 Cabrio): 0.36 x 1.87 = 0.673

928 MJ 1978 to 1982: 0.41 x 1.95 = 0.799
928 S MJ 1980 to 1986: 0.38 x 1.95 = 0.741
928 S4 MJ 1987 to 1991 (also CS. GT): 0.34 x 1.98 = 0.673
928 GTS MJ 1992 to 1995: 0.35 x 2.02 = 0.707

986 Boxster: 0.31 x 1.93 = 0.598
986 Boxster S MJ 2000 to 2002: 0.32 x 1.93 = 0.617

987 Boxster: 0.29 x 1.96 = 0.57
987 Boxster S: 0.30 x 1.97 = 0.59
987 Cayman S: 0.29 x 1.98 = 0.57

955 Cayenne (V6) MJ 2004: 0.38 x 2.78 = 1.056
955 Cayenne S (and turbo) MJ 2003 + 2004: 0.39 x 2.78 = 1.084

901 1964: 0.363 x 1.685 = 0.612

911 MJ 1965 to 1967 all types (also Targa and S): 0.363 x 1.685 = 0.612
911 MJ ' 68 (all types): CD x A (m2) = 0.381 x 1.6853 = 0.642

912: Similar to 911 of respective model years

911 MJ ' 69-'73: Cd x A (m2) = 0.408 x 1.71 = 0.697
911 RS MJ 1973: 0.397 x 1.73 = 0.686
911 MJ 1974 to MJ 1977 (also S. Targa): 0.39 x 1.76 = 0.686
911 SC MJ 1978 to MJ 1983 (also Targa and Cabrio) and Carrera MJ 1974 to MJ 1977: 0.40 x 1.77 = 0.708
911 Carrera 3.2 MJ 1984 to MJ 1989: 0.39 x 1.77 = 0.690
911 Carrera 3.2 MJ 1984 to MJ 1989 with front and tail spoiler (also Clubsport):0.38 x 1.77 = 0.672
911 turbo (930) (also WTL, SC/RS, turbo slant nose): 0.39 x 1.86 = 0.725

959: 0.31 x 1.92 = 0.595

964 (also R-S. R-S America, R-S N/GT): Cd x A (m2) = 0.32 x 1.79 = 0.573
964 turbo (994). (Frere): Cd x A (m2) = 0.35 x 1.88 = 0.658
964 turbo (994) (also WTL, Jubi) (Bongers): 0.36 x 1.89 = 0.680
964 turbo S lightweight construction (994) (also R-S 3.8. turbo 3.6, turbo 3.6 low rise building): 0.35 x 1.89 = 0.662

993 (also R-S): 0.33 x 1.86 = 0.614
993 R-S Clubsport (with rear wing 0 Angle of incidence): 0.34 x 1.86 = 0.632
993 R-S Clubsport (with rear wingl 9 Angle of incidence): 0.36 x 1.86 = 0.669
993 GT 2: 0.34 x 2.04 = 0.684
993 turbo (also 2S. 4S, turbo Cabrio): CD x A (m2) = 0.34 x 1.93 = 0.656

996: Cd x A (m2) = 0.30 x 1.94 = 0.582
996 4S: 0.30 x 2.00 = 0.60
996 GT 2: 0.34 x 1.96 = 0.666
996 GT 3 MJ 1999 to 2001: 0.30 x 1.95 = 0.585
996 turbo: 0.31 x 2.0 = 0.62

997: 0.28 x 2.00 = 0.56
997 Cabrio: 0.29
997S: 0.29 x 2.00 = 0.58
997S Cabrio: 0.29
980 Carrera GT: 0.396 x 1.94 = 0.768

Theo
1988 928S4 cherry talk
The Netherlands

Nicole

Interesting how you translate "cherry red" into "cherry talk"...

Rick Carter

I plead Babel. How is the rest of it?
Rick

Adrian

I think you will find that by Bongers he is referring to data provided by Marc Bongers.
Marc is a German Author who worked for Porsche for many years. He is now the Sales and Marketing director of RUF.
You will see in the line above the (Bongers) is (Frere) which clearly means he is using info from Paul Frere.
Pity the guy did not check his data though. No such animal as a 994.
Ciao,
Adrian.

Nicole

I think everybody will understand the information given. That's what counts most. Thanks for posting this!

Now let's hope Randy doesn't move it to the General Porsche discussion board where we'll never find it again...