Is this one of the four Callaway 928s?
07-12-2005, 02:21 PM
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Not to mention that whomever buys the engine will have to deal with swapping out fuel systems, electrical, etc... Engine swaps are never easy. You'll be looking for a long time for the perfect buyer for the engine, the same way you are waiting for the perfect buyer for the car... I'd just keep it on the market. Timing is everything... Put it up once every 3 months... Or put it in the Autotrader, with one of those "until it sells" ads... Put it in the national "Sports Car Trader"...
07-12-2005, 06:22 PM
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If the car looks wild and exotic, AND has a turbo, some goofball will buy it...
But if it looks very plain, and ordinary, then it's hard to sell.
928 fans already own a 928.
They want turbo or supercharger *kits* to put on their own cars.
When you are selling a car, you are hitting the new buyers.
The people who are just on ebay browsing.
So if you have something that looks wild, looks fast, and has a turbo, some idiot will buy it.
Especially if you take them for a ride.
But you're trying to sell what looks like a very regular 928.
So most people won't consider the turbo addition worth the extra price.
In fact, most "reasonable" people will be scared off, considering it a possible
maintainance nightmare.
You really have to sell this kind of car to the less than reasonable "impulse buyers".
Impressing them usually involves a dip in some red paint...
But if it looks very plain, and ordinary, then it's hard to sell.
928 fans already own a 928.
They want turbo or supercharger *kits* to put on their own cars.
When you are selling a car, you are hitting the new buyers.
The people who are just on ebay browsing.
So if you have something that looks wild, looks fast, and has a turbo, some idiot will buy it.
Especially if you take them for a ride.
But you're trying to sell what looks like a very regular 928.
So most people won't consider the turbo addition worth the extra price.
In fact, most "reasonable" people will be scared off, considering it a possible
maintainance nightmare.
You really have to sell this kind of car to the less than reasonable "impulse buyers".
Impressing them usually involves a dip in some red paint...
07-12-2005, 06:32 PM
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No, it will take more than $4,000 to make me pull it out and even spend the time. I'll probably wait and relist in a few week's time or advertise in another way. I'm sure if I listed the car as a Callaway there would be a list of bids on it...
I happen to like the fact that my car looks stock and runs un-stock! It is about a professional install, making it all work together.
I happen to like the fact that my car looks stock and runs un-stock! It is about a professional install, making it all work together.
07-12-2005, 08:26 PM
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John .."I'm sure if I listed the car as a Callaway there would be a list of bids on it..." The list of people who KNOW that there was such a car is a very short one,the list of those who wanted one even shorter... I was told that Callaway would not even speak about his 928 " Experiment". He moved on to another make of car...long ago.
07-12-2005, 08:54 PM
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It does have more "collector's value"...
People do know the name, and it does become more of a conversation piece.
There are people out there who collect rare and unique cars.
Like that DP 928 that was on Ebay a while back.
Or a Gemballa, or Strosek, etc...
They all have collecor's value to *someone*.
It's just that you have to wait almost as long, if not longer, to get an interested buyer.
I bet a Callaway 928 would sell well at the Barrett Jackson auction.
But a homemade beast, is not as collectable...
People do know the name, and it does become more of a conversation piece.
There are people out there who collect rare and unique cars.
Like that DP 928 that was on Ebay a while back.
Or a Gemballa, or Strosek, etc...
They all have collecor's value to *someone*.
It's just that you have to wait almost as long, if not longer, to get an interested buyer.
I bet a Callaway 928 would sell well at the Barrett Jackson auction.
But a homemade beast, is not as collectable...
07-12-2005, 09:34 PM
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What I have heard over the years was that they tended to have engine failures and get repowered. I guess that makes an original one even more rare !
07-13-2005, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim bailey - 928 International
What I have heard over the years was that they tended to have engine failures and get repowered. I guess that makes an original one even more rare !
guilty.....but the original parts are in my garage....Rich
07-13-2005, 01:28 PM
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Hey...I still have the proof that mine is a survivor (pistons in the box downstairs!)...then there is the one my brother just picked up...another survivor...4.7 liter the last Reeves' 928 car
It wasn't Reeves' fault that the 928 pistons could not handle the bottle feeding. It is the weakest part in the shark's engine, thus the reason the Bastard and GM wear something, well let's say more appropriate in terms of high temperature strength!
Reeves moved where the $ was and that was with Chevy. He is a hell of a business man and made a lot of money and history with the Corvette based projects. Interesting guy...totally self taught. I suspect his first love was with European cars...BMW, Audi, Porsche, VW, Alfa. I was told by a very reputable source that Reeves was on a panel put together by VW to look at turbocharging for F1 quite some time ago. Still... remember the twin turbo 928s were the fastest of the era. There was a Callaway 928 before Porsche ever had a 32V 928 in production. It was clearly innovative thinking for 1983 and Callaway is due credit that you guys don't give here on the list.
I know, I just should put a 911 badge on the back of the Goldmember and relist it....
It wasn't Reeves' fault that the 928 pistons could not handle the bottle feeding. It is the weakest part in the shark's engine, thus the reason the Bastard and GM wear something, well let's say more appropriate in terms of high temperature strength!
Reeves moved where the $ was and that was with Chevy. He is a hell of a business man and made a lot of money and history with the Corvette based projects. Interesting guy...totally self taught. I suspect his first love was with European cars...BMW, Audi, Porsche, VW, Alfa. I was told by a very reputable source that Reeves was on a panel put together by VW to look at turbocharging for F1 quite some time ago. Still... remember the twin turbo 928s were the fastest of the era. There was a Callaway 928 before Porsche ever had a 32V 928 in production. It was clearly innovative thinking for 1983 and Callaway is due credit that you guys don't give here on the list.
I know, I just should put a 911 badge on the back of the Goldmember and relist it....
07-13-2005, 01:31 PM
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Also...I'd line this Goldmember car up against any stock Euro powered 16V 928, 5-spd or Auto and show you that it will outrun it: 0-60, 1/4 mile, mid range roll on, etc. Dialed in right a turbo 928 is a potent setup. More on that later in the year...
07-13-2005, 02:22 PM
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More than that. It is a nasty fast setup that at 12 psi and up, setup right with a 5 speed is so fast you can hardly drive it in the rain and thats with a 4.5L motor.
350 hp to start is the way these cars should have been built to begin with. 350 hp engine and up from there, because a TT 928 is a whole lot of fun. Then maybe we would have an upgraded drive train path.
A 5L turbo is even more over the top. I have a 951 and you have to realize that those cars with a Vittese kit with a new turbo, chip and a few misc parts are making 350 hp to the wheels out of 2.5L and that is a bolt on.
350 hp to start is the way these cars should have been built to begin with. 350 hp engine and up from there, because a TT 928 is a whole lot of fun. Then maybe we would have an upgraded drive train path.
A 5L turbo is even more over the top. I have a 951 and you have to realize that those cars with a Vittese kit with a new turbo, chip and a few misc parts are making 350 hp to the wheels out of 2.5L and that is a bolt on.
07-13-2005, 06:38 PM
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Oh yes...5.0 liters of turbine driven forced induced bliss is coming! I can't wait to start this project, but I have to be realistic...I must rid myself of the Goldmember first. I do believe I will hang an exhaust on it before I attempt to relist it.
There are only a handful of people who have ridden in a turbo 928. It is a great setup when done right. What turbos did you use on your build...T3s? Or did you do with a T3/T4 hybrid. I think the T3 with the right wheel would huff the 4.5 pretty well.
I'm getting 5.2 second 0-60s with a 4.5 stock cams and 3-spd auto. That is with small K-24s! That betters any S4 or GTS that ever left the factory...even with a 5-speed. Goldmember is packin' some torque and it is still a bit fat on fuel! I should also dyno the thing so it has some credentials.
There are only a handful of people who have ridden in a turbo 928. It is a great setup when done right. What turbos did you use on your build...T3s? Or did you do with a T3/T4 hybrid. I think the T3 with the right wheel would huff the 4.5 pretty well.
I'm getting 5.2 second 0-60s with a 4.5 stock cams and 3-spd auto. That is with small K-24s! That betters any S4 or GTS that ever left the factory...even with a 5-speed. Goldmember is packin' some torque and it is still a bit fat on fuel! I should also dyno the thing so it has some credentials.