Renegade Hybrid on Ebay...
05-03-2005, 08:47 PM
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Renegade Hybrid on Ebay...
Renegade Hybrid on Ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...547182124&rd=1
Pretty optomistic pricing...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...547182124&rd=1
Pretty optomistic pricing...
05-03-2005, 08:58 PM
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BC this interesting comment speaks to the economy of using a "cheap chevy engine...." I have about $25 grand into the car so far. " And the car is not DONE...
05-03-2005, 09:11 PM
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I think it's because you get a lot more "do-it-yourself-ers" doing things like this.
And they do not do a slick job of installing everything.
And if they paid a good shop to do it, it would cost more than rebuilding the 928 engine.
So there goes their idea of cost savings.
I do not see a hybrid as a cost-effective way to deal with a blown 928 engine.
You have to look at it as a choice of engines, and a choice to build a car like this, because you want one.
But I think 90% of people who drop american engines in Porsches or Jags, etc, are trying to *save* money on a rebuild...
But they have no idea all the things that have to be adapted to make it all work right...
And they do not do a slick job of installing everything.
And if they paid a good shop to do it, it would cost more than rebuilding the 928 engine.
So there goes their idea of cost savings.
I do not see a hybrid as a cost-effective way to deal with a blown 928 engine.
You have to look at it as a choice of engines, and a choice to build a car like this, because you want one.
But I think 90% of people who drop american engines in Porsches or Jags, etc, are trying to *save* money on a rebuild...
But they have no idea all the things that have to be adapted to make it all work right...
05-04-2005, 10:14 AM
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At $9,995 I'd shy away from that conversion....
There is a reason there was no good interior shots and engine bay photos... if I was selling my V8 conversions, you'd better believe I would tout my engine bays and interiors to get the biggest dollars...
The LT1 engine... ususally these are junk yard... only 1,000 miles on the engine or only 1,000 miles on the installed engine and 100,000 miles in the car before?
The Renegade kit is simple... everything else is not...
IF the car has a Perfect interior, and IF the car is fairly well put together under the hood, than $9,995 woud be a fair starting point, and I can tell you from experience, unless you can do ALL the work yourself, these conversions are NOT cheap. It goes something like this: The A/C guy to fix the airconditioner points the finger at the Stereo guy why "may have" knocked some lever from under the dash while replacing the stereo, thus no cold air comes through, who claims that electrical draw is not his fault, who the engine installer traces the electric drain to either the A/C or stereo guy, and you, who may be able to replace a light bulb and check the oil (maybe) are left in the middle.... by the way these experts are all 40 miles from each other.
That said without good interior shots we all know how expensive it is to do the interior. The 1980 also bothers me, as the engine needs better cooling... what is the install on the cooling... both of our Renegade conversions run a bit hot...
Update on our conversions:
The Yellow beast broke the crankshaft last night, or the pin that drives the blower pulley (perhaps a defective crank, as we have not run the car hard). Jeff Cheney in Ham Lake, MN warrantied the engine (he's a great guy). The Black beast now has a clear hood with LED lighting that is very cool at night, and the new hood allowed a much better free flowing air cleaner setup... the car has considerably more power (I can smoke the tires through first and second gears on the auto transaxle) and the gas mileage is up from 11 mpg to 15 mpg and I do drive it hard. The car actuually now feels like 410HP and 456 Lbs of Torque now that it can breathe.
The LT1 engine... ususally these are junk yard... only 1,000 miles on the engine or only 1,000 miles on the installed engine and 100,000 miles in the car before?
The Renegade kit is simple... everything else is not...
IF the car has a Perfect interior, and IF the car is fairly well put together under the hood, than $9,995 woud be a fair starting point, and I can tell you from experience, unless you can do ALL the work yourself, these conversions are NOT cheap. It goes something like this: The A/C guy to fix the airconditioner points the finger at the Stereo guy why "may have" knocked some lever from under the dash while replacing the stereo, thus no cold air comes through, who claims that electrical draw is not his fault, who the engine installer traces the electric drain to either the A/C or stereo guy, and you, who may be able to replace a light bulb and check the oil (maybe) are left in the middle.... by the way these experts are all 40 miles from each other.
That said without good interior shots we all know how expensive it is to do the interior. The 1980 also bothers me, as the engine needs better cooling... what is the install on the cooling... both of our Renegade conversions run a bit hot...
Update on our conversions:
The Yellow beast broke the crankshaft last night, or the pin that drives the blower pulley (perhaps a defective crank, as we have not run the car hard). Jeff Cheney in Ham Lake, MN warrantied the engine (he's a great guy). The Black beast now has a clear hood with LED lighting that is very cool at night, and the new hood allowed a much better free flowing air cleaner setup... the car has considerably more power (I can smoke the tires through first and second gears on the auto transaxle) and the gas mileage is up from 11 mpg to 15 mpg and I do drive it hard. The car actuually now feels like 410HP and 456 Lbs of Torque now that it can breathe.
05-04-2005, 10:50 AM
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My new LT4 Ready to go
Here's a shot of my LT4. Bored and stroked to 390. Not dynoed yet but estimated at 470+ lbs of torque and just over 500 HP.
All new genuine GM parts. Forged crank, rods, pistions, etc.Total cost $5600.00, balanced and blue printed.
The previous LT1 had 370 HP and 350 Lbs of torque. Drove it for 3 years with nary a failure.
Engines are not cheap nor conversions, but I've spent double the conversion cost on the rest of the car ie. paint, lights, switches, relays, interior, trim, brakes, electrics, suspension, wheels, etc.
All new genuine GM parts. Forged crank, rods, pistions, etc.Total cost $5600.00, balanced and blue printed.
The previous LT1 had 370 HP and 350 Lbs of torque. Drove it for 3 years with nary a failure.
Engines are not cheap nor conversions, but I've spent double the conversion cost on the rest of the car ie. paint, lights, switches, relays, interior, trim, brakes, electrics, suspension, wheels, etc.
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05-04-2005, 11:01 AM
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In theory cheap conversions... reality no...
Our Yellow Porsche was purchased with the conversion done (very rough job) for $6,600. The previous owner had recipts of the parts and car cost: $18,000. We put another $19,000 into the car to get it into the condition it is today:
New Paint
Custom flame guages
New 355 Chevy Engine with 6-71 blower
Rebuilt transaxle with custom torque converter and modified posi rear end
3" exhaust
Re-dye interior
The car has no heat or A/C... this translates into a $25,000 car for us, but considering the $12,000 loss of investment on the previous owner, a real cost of $37,000 to get the car as is.
The Black car was bought for $7,700 with a bad engine. It has some body work needed, but the interior was fairly good.
We have a total exceeding $40,000 into the car, much more than I thought it would cost. What happens is that you spruce up the engine bay, and then the interior and exterior looks bad... so then you spruce up the exterior, and you'll constantly notice imperfections... I originally thought I'd spend 1/2 that much... or about as much as a new Harley.
New Paint
Custom flame guages
New 355 Chevy Engine with 6-71 blower
Rebuilt transaxle with custom torque converter and modified posi rear end
3" exhaust
Re-dye interior
The car has no heat or A/C... this translates into a $25,000 car for us, but considering the $12,000 loss of investment on the previous owner, a real cost of $37,000 to get the car as is.
The Black car was bought for $7,700 with a bad engine. It has some body work needed, but the interior was fairly good.
We have a total exceeding $40,000 into the car, much more than I thought it would cost. What happens is that you spruce up the engine bay, and then the interior and exterior looks bad... so then you spruce up the exterior, and you'll constantly notice imperfections... I originally thought I'd spend 1/2 that much... or about as much as a new Harley.
05-04-2005, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Flint
I'm more interested in the BMW seats. From the (albeit small) pictures, they don't look out of place.
05-05-2005, 03:04 PM
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The Chevy Conversion is not just to save $$$$
The reason for the Chevy is to obtain the low end torque of American V8 which gives the car a little bit different character. Our supercharged 928 with a Chevy 355 is scary quick and all that power comes on instantly.
The character of the car then becomes one of a highway cruiser to that of a 0-60 "feel the power at the stop-light" kind of power.
That said, the 383 410HP - 456 Llbs Torque engine we have on the Black car is nowhere near the "smoothness" of a standard 928, but it's got ***** at the light and sounds great... I had the exhaust built to shound throaty on take-off and be quiet at highway cruise. The sound also has the effect of adding enjoyment to the driving.
As far as economics, again if I knew how much I would have spent, I would have kept the Porsche engine and built it up. Our blower-chevy get about 6 miles per gallon abd the 383 motor gets about 15 miles per gallon on hard driving.
The economics of the Blower Chevy is skewed in our favor because we bought the car for only $6,600 with the conversion kit done.
The character of the car then becomes one of a highway cruiser to that of a 0-60 "feel the power at the stop-light" kind of power.
That said, the 383 410HP - 456 Llbs Torque engine we have on the Black car is nowhere near the "smoothness" of a standard 928, but it's got ***** at the light and sounds great... I had the exhaust built to shound throaty on take-off and be quiet at highway cruise. The sound also has the effect of adding enjoyment to the driving.
As far as economics, again if I knew how much I would have spent, I would have kept the Porsche engine and built it up. Our blower-chevy get about 6 miles per gallon abd the 383 motor gets about 15 miles per gallon on hard driving.
The economics of the Blower Chevy is skewed in our favor because we bought the car for only $6,600 with the conversion kit done.
