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Old 04-16-2005, 10:16 AM
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Yes go for the V1, although I did just get slammed with Radar with it and got a ticket.

Skip the NOS and just install my turbo kit, you would have been doing 120 then.
Old 04-16-2005, 12:57 PM
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But in the case of right v. privelege of driving it seems to me to stretch semantic license. Privilege denotes enjoyment of activities not normally available to wide cross sections of the society. Privileges are sometimes awarded, but more frequently out of range of most. Rights are inherently available and widely permitted, absent gross neglect.
I'm a bit surprised you got sucked into a pursefight...trying to liken the right to self defense to your driving privileges is again, hyperbole. It begs the issue.

Look, you may choose to redefine a legal term to suit your wants, but the definition of privilege, in this case, is a precise legal term. Don't take my word for it. Go to your State's legislative website and look. I challenge you to find the term "right to drive" anywhere. I expect you will find the term privilege, though. Simply put, nowhere in these United States can anyone legally drive any vehicle on any public road without being granted a license. Wanna excercize your "right to drive"? Use a private road or racetrack, there you may excercize your "right" to your heart's content. Lacking that, you better be licensed and sober.

Let's get back to Andrew, shall we? As he said, he was worried about failing the sobreity test. What I don't understand is how in the world that opend up the officer to rebuke. It is my understanding that almost every officer is human. They will naturally treat a person in the kind of manner they are themselves treated (after an initial period of understandable caution). That officer was simply doing his duty. From Andrew's report, the officer was respectful and Andrew's actions were appropriate. Fine.

This isn't an issue of the State's encroachment on our natural rights. Heaven knows there is enough of that happening off the roadways. This is an issue of our responsibility to other motorists. The message we should be taking away from this is that we should excersize good judgement when we drive.

As 928 pilots, we represent a unique segment of the driving public. We are folks who love the classics, regardless of the less refined tastes of others.

Ought not our behavior be just as refined?
Old 04-16-2005, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew Olson
M: No sir.
M: No sir :evilgirin:
Why bother to call him "sir"?
Old 04-16-2005, 10:22 PM
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That was precisely my point Simon. The legal use of the term right" needs to be reexamined. A prevailing practice doesn't possess validity because it persists. And calling something a "privelege" doesn't make it an accurate description of the true practice. Many true rights throughout history have been legally denied persistently, but ultimately regained when people ceased accepting legal defintions that were nonsense. Sometimes at great cost.
Old 04-17-2005, 12:28 AM
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Ron, from the perspective of a legal education, the mere fact that a legislature may use a term incorrectly does not make that usage correct. If you perform an action in return for a benefit, your expectation of that benefit has by definition, become a right. But as I say ... no need to argue here about it. It is or it is not .... Ron, thanks for championing the cause ... you know I am with you.
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Old 04-17-2005, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JKelly
Why bother to call him "sir"?
Yes I dropped the "sir" thing once I realised they were not there anymore to ensure our overall safety, but rather to fill their quotas.
Old 04-17-2005, 12:33 AM
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Thanks Heinrich. Ok, I'll be quiet now and go back to sleep.
Old 04-17-2005, 09:51 AM
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That cops was really a putz! Glad you escaped the revenue machine to drive another day!!



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