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Marc,

>Underdogs? Huh?

Yeah, just call me blind and stupid :-)

> Why are you comparing the Cayenne to a 10 yr old out of production vehicle?

I wasn't comparing the vehicles, just the support or lack of behind them. As I said, the 928 in all of it's years of production never had the backing the Cayenne does in a just a few, thats all.

> What exactly were you expecting? Backflips from Porsche engineers to >develop products for ANY 10 year old Prosche??

Nope I know better, but your post sort of implied they were. In retrospect maybe I misunderstood, and your comment was Porsche's "aftermarket" program, NOT Porsche's 928 "aftermarket" program. Big difference to all of us 928 Owners. I only speak concerning the 928 since that is my only interest.

> Those are unrealistic expectations.

That was my point. Until know I thought you were talking about a Porsche "928 aftermarket program" I have just now realized you were talking about an "all" Porsche "aftermarket program" I simply thought we were just talking about 928s, sorry my mistake.

>Parts go Na on many models...not just the poor little abandoned 928.

Again, my focus in only concerning the 928, other models are of no interest to me.

>As a business owenr, you should expect one thing from Porsche, access to >their inventory for resale.

Yep.

>To date, at least for us, they have delivered as well as expected, and in many >cases, well above expectations!

For cars that date back almost 30 years this is true! I never said otherwise, I was just commenting on my misunderstanding about a factory Porsche "928 aftermarket program" being so successful. The problem is I am still programmed to think of you as a 928 only company, that has obviously changed.

>No one at Porsche harbors any ill will against 928'ers, or racing 928 for that >matter...that is self defeating rumor that serves no one.

I have no doubt that they have no "ill will" ... but start going out to races and kicking but on a consistent basis with an old 928 against the cars they NEED to "sell on Monday" and ask for more help from the your friends at the factory and see how much help you will get. This has nothing to do with the 928 specifically, just common sense.

Also, concerning "self defeating rumors" your constant pointing out that Mark Anderson supposedly "cheated" in the Speedvison serves no one either! You should be happy he was out there, it only draws more attention to 928s and helps those who sell 928 parts. We are all sorry they wouldn't let you race, but you don't need to try and publicly trash a man that has given more exposure to the 928 community than you, I and everyone else combined. Honestly Marc, this only belittles you and you should let it die.

>They make business decisions and move on.

Everyone does that, heck I have never said and don't claim to be a smart business man, if I was I would branch out to other Porsche models too :-)

>The best we can do is work with them, understand and transfer the >technology that they develop for their newer vehicles and apply that >technology to our 928, and just keep improving them. That is what we love to >do, waht I love to do!

I guess I have a different attitude about 928s, I basically love them just the way they are. Just a little personalization is all that's needed IMHO. To me they are just about perfect just as they are. Trying to adapt "new technology" in an effort to improve them is quite silly to me, in my eyes they are still the best dang GT ever built and are a timeless design,... of course I guess I am just a sentimental ole fool :-) To me anyone that is trying to make a 928 faster than everything on the road is about as smart as someone trying to have the fastest computer made.. that is an endless battle and the only person that wins is the guy selling the hardware to try make them the "fastest".

Dave

Fastest928

Dave,
Pls read again!

"The best we can do is work with them, understand and transfer the technology that they develop for their newer vehicles and apply that technology to our 928, and just keep improving them. That is what we love to do, what I love to do!"

If the 928 is so perfect, why do you sell upgraded wheels, suspension, exhaust, etc? Sorry Dave, I do not agree with your "it is already perfect so leave it like it is/was" belief....but that is ok, that is what makes us different!

AT DEVEK, we would rather fully understand the technology, make improvements, and offer those improvements, along with regular maintenance parts, service kits and information at the best prices possible to keep our 928 on the road and "competitive" in a street sense against newer gt's.

DEVEK will continue to develop products, services and sell parts for the 928 and we are committed to continuing developing the 928!

Mark Anderson

Original question: Why aren't any of the 928 racers running in the SPEED GT series this year?
First answer : Cars to old

That's really all there is to it.
Six years ago I sent an email to Mitch Wright who is the technical director
for SCCA Pro and I told him that I was making 400 rwhp. At that time he
said that was the appropriate amount of hp for the series and he allowed me
to run. He told me at that time the car was only eldigilbe for one year becuase of its age. 2 years ago I went to Mitch and asked him if I could use a
different intake manifold to add more hp and he said they would give me a
one race trial and at the end of that race they would determine if I could
keep it which they did. SCCA is always monitoring HP by either dyno testing
or speed traps and they know when someone has an advantage. After 18 races
and 4 top ten finishes I don't ever remember passing a competitive car on
the straits. In World Challenge most overtaking is done in the corners
because most cars are so close in acceleration and that's the way they want
it. I do appreciate all the support some have offered and I was happy to get the 928 more positive public exposure. It is a shame more 928 racers could not get into the series. I did offer all of them any help I could.

John Veninger

FlyingDog

Thanks Mark, maybe you'll find another national series to run the white zombie in as successfully.

John Veninger

If they come out west.....

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JKelly

Just to clarify this to myself, he is supposed to use a 5.4L engine because that is what came in the car when it was still in production correct?
The Z06es, Vipers, and CTS-Vs all run larger than 5.4L, but they come off the showroom floor with 5.7+ liters.

Fastest928

Yes, just as a viper is supposed to use a 8l engine against the corvettes puny 5.7 or against the 911 smaller 3.8l.

The rules in this area are very clear!

Kaz

I dunno, it would seem the rules are a subjective thing given the time of year and whose doing the complaining. Attitude probably goes a long way in how any given participant is treated by officials in a position to make important calls.

poc62

Mark A. keep up the great job on racing your 928! I would love to see the big 3 battle it out on the track!

Tony

Joe, are you and Mark coming to Vegas on the 11th? I guess theres a POC event here.

poc62

Yep! We will be there Thursday night (late) Hope to see you at the track

IcemanG17

Now that would be a sight....make it a 928 tuner shootout, might even get published in excellence? Need a couple catagories...street & race (to make it fair) I do think several of the "race" cars are still tehnically "street" cars too....but I bet they don't get too many groceries!

poc62

So are you game??? Mark A, David, and Marc. I personally would love to see it and be a part of history. Mark Kibort any predictions

blau928

Now, to be fair, the SC folks should also be included, along with willing participants who have modified their cars in other ways..

There could be a few classes, and rules could be along the PCA or POC rules for class designation..

This would be a really interesting thing...!

A bunch of G-Tech meters could accurately compare the cars' performances, as driver skill would play a big part..

Or, there could be an elected set of independent drivers to do the testing on some great track... Like the Vegas shootout in Excellence a month or so ago...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

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